EE507 schrieb:


Why do they still use platform dispatchers? Why not use the signalling
system to regulate trains?


Of about 170 stations, about 70 still have platform crew - required, if
the driver does not have full overview of the train.

This number will get reduced to 20 stations, as soon as "ZAT-FM" really
works. ZAT-FM transmits camera pictures into the cab, and the EBA
requires a 0.02% probability for transmission errors. It was supposed
to work by 2009, but didn't.


Hans-Joachim



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Neil Williams schrieb:


It's just DB AG, no?

100% owned by DB.



As for tendering, that's a good way to make it cost more.

Please name a single tender in Germany (of many dozen) with that effect.



Hans-Joachim



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On 29/12/2011 13:10, EE507 wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:15 pm, Oliver wrote:
wrote:
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:21:23 +0100
From:
Subject: Single point of failure in the Berlin Train System

The Berlin light rail train system, plagued by problems for years,
demonstrated today that it can, indeed get worse. Many cars have been
taken out of service for all sorts of ailments, and having pruned the
maintenance shops and the drivers to a bare minimum, there is no room
for dealing with problems. And there have been problems galore.

The Berlin S-Bahn getting "pruned" a little bit concerning staff still
needs significantly more staff per passenger kilometre, passenger carried,
train or seat kilometres or network length offered than any other S-Bahn
system in Germany.

Why do they still use platform dispatchers? Why not use the signalling
system to regulate trains?

The signals refer to the ROW only.

Platform dispatchers on the Berlin S-Bahn exist to spot the platform and
make sure that the doors are closed, that nobody is caught in train
doors and to signal the train to depart. We have the exact same system
here in London.

On 29/12/11 12:15, Oliver Schnell wrote:
These benchmarking figures for Berlin are between 20% and 50% below those
of others German agglomerations, while punctuality and quality of service
offered elsewhere is much better.

Ah, if only the DR and DDR were still around to run it, eh? Perhaps a
business opportunity for uk.railway's resident Erich Honecker
Appreciation Society.

Ian

On 29 Dec 2011 18:19:41 GMT, Hans-Joachim Zierke
wrote:
Please name a single tender in Germany (of many dozen) with that
effect.

I don't know specifics - but in principle a profit layer is added,
staff are cut or service is cut.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On 29/12/11 16:23, Lüko Willms wrote:
Maybe you want to retry fascism again in order to smash the trade
unions? Put workers in concentration camps and smash their skulls so
that they never again try to defend their wages and working conditions?

I think you'll find that was how your friends in the east did it, with
added machine guns if they tried to emigrate.

Ian

On 29/12/2011 12:16, Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:

SB schrieb:


The Berlin light rail train system,

The S-Bahn isn't a light rail system, at least not by European standards.

By US standards, it would be, but by US standards, the ICE is a light
rail system, too.


The S-Bahn is way to heavy to be a light rail system in anybody's book,
including in the US, I think. Same goes for the ICE.

The Berlin Strassenbahn would be another story, however.

Many people were trapped in trains stranded between stations. Angry
passengers opened the doors, got out and walked the tracks to the
nearest station, continuing by bus, subway, or taxi.

It took about 3 hours after electricity was restored to have some sort
of traffic running.


Similar situations have happened here on the London Underground.

Am 29.12.2011 20:43, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 29/12/11 16:23, Lüko Willms wrote:
Maybe you want to retry fascism again in order to smash the trade
unions? Put workers in concentration camps and smash their skulls so
that they never again try to defend their wages and working conditions?

I think you'll find that was how your friends in the east did it, with
added machine guns if they tried to emigrate.

Obviously you have the opposited impression (we know, that you are an
impressionist) than this other rightist. Herr Schnell thinks that it is
the heritage of the GDR that the rail workers in Berlin are so "lazy",
as he would describe it. They are not accustomed to the capitalist whip
as their colleagues in the West, how got it beaten into them over
decades that they risk their lives, or at least their livelyhoods, when
they do not obey their master.

But, please excuse me for bothering you with facts.


L.W.

Am 29.12.2011 20:42, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 29/12/11 12:15, Oliver Schnell wrote:
These benchmarking figures for Berlin are between 20% and 50% below those
of others German agglomerations, while punctuality and quality of service
offered elsewhere is much better.

Ah, if only the DR and DDR were still around to run it, eh? Perhaps a
business opportunity for uk.railway's resident Erich Honecker
Appreciation Society.

Well, Herr Schnell is like you: those goddam workers had a too good
life in GDR times are are not yet beaten enough into submission to the
new capitalist times.

The thing is that railway workers are workers, and not so easily
purged as all the professors at the university and journalists in the
media. People like you and Herr Schnell think that the workers would
simply bow and when they are shown the capitalist whip. It is not so
easy for you misantropists.


L.W.

On 29/12/11 21:02, Lüko Willms wrote:
Obviously you have the opposited impression (we know, that you are an
impressionist) ...

Ooh, Betty.

Ian