Am 02.01.2012 21:47, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
I also know that at least one line on the West Berlin U-Bahn went via
a part of East German territory.

Two U-Bahn lines and one S-Bahn line, see wikipedia link above.

These were underground lines, so easily closed off against crossing
the border. The North-South S-Bahn and one of the U-Bahn lines (U6, I
believe) had stops at Friedrichstraße, where people could change between
these two lines and to the S-Bahn going West on the Stadtbahn East-West
elevated line, or cross the border into the GDR.

Friedrichstraße was quite a complicated labyrinth back then. I mostly
preferred to cross there, when I did not come by car.

The two S-Bahn platforms on the Stadtbahn (elevated East-West lines)
which today are directional, one going West, the other going East, had
been converted into two terminal platforms with two tracks, one for the
intra West Berlin traffic, the other for the intra East Berlin traffic.
With an opaque glass wall between the two...

I think the long distance platform at Friedrichstraße was also
already open to West Berlin, but I am not sure of that.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 20:46, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
It's not very socialist though.

you like labes which dispense from considering facts.

I prefer facts and avoiding labels.

Facts and an open mind is what counts.



L.W.

On 03/01/12 00:19, Lüko Willms wrote:
What has that to do with the current situation of the Berlin railway
workers?

I don't know. You're the one who seems to think that the DB workforce in
Berlin should be happy with DDR standards of living and freedom.

Ian

Am 03.01.2012 00:53, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:
Is there a good book in English about the Berlin S& U Bahns?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Berlin-S-Bah...dp/1854141856/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Berlin-U-Bah...dp/1854141848/

Better written than some of their German counterparts.

Really. Might be worth to have a look at them.

There are some copies available at used book sellers:

http://www.zvab.com/advancedSearch.do?author=Hardy%2C+Brian&publisher= &title=Berlin+Bahn&keyword=&anyWords=&isbn=&public ationYearFrom=&publicationYearTo=&priceFrom=&price To=&itemMedium=al&countryOfSeller=all&languageOfBo ok=all&lastXDays=-1&displayCurrency=EUR&itemsPerPage=25&totalItemCou nt=200&sortBy=1


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 20:15, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 02/01/12 12:23, Lüko Willms wrote:
The nurses, teachers and railway workers are not the ones who
appropriate profits.

Where do you think their pay comes from, then?

From their work.

Workers ("proletarians") are the ones who produce all wealth.

You may say, that the wages are actually the price for the labor
power layed out by the capitalist as 'variable capital'. Variable,
because only human labor produces new values.

The capitalist appropriates himself the product of the worker's
labor, and then has the risky task of realizing this newly produced
surplus value in moeny.

But why should I bother you with facts!


Cheers,
L.W.

On 03/01/12 00:05, Lüko Willms wrote:
Types like you, if they are German, are nostalgic of imperialist
policies of the _German_ capitalist class, as embodied by Kaiser Wilhelm
(the one of the hun speech) and Hitler.

Golly, how remarkable.

It doesn't matter which chief
robber a friend of robbery does adore, what counts is that he adores the
imperialist robbery.

Well yes. That is why I am equally happy to condemn British imperialism
in India, French imperialism in Indo-china, Soviet imperialism in
central Europe and Spanish/Argentinian imperialism in the South Atlantic.

Ian

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:06:16 +0100, Lüko Willms
wrote:

Am 03.01.2012 00:19, schrieb Charles Ellson:
dreaming up some insults:

He
thinks that Hungary 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 were justified
reactions to western imperialism. That's why he isn't busy denying
Stalin killed anyone and if he did they they deserved it anyway.

You should be jailed for such lies.

For what criminal offence ?

insult. Claiming false facts to denigrate the standing of other
people, against better knowledge.

Good luck with running that past the Crown Prosecution Service.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:57:47 +0100 [UTC], Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 02.01.2012 23:50, schrieb Recliner:

Only when the government level of
shareholding falls below 30% can it be regarded as anything other than a
nationalised company.

Whatever you may want to make up. [snip]

Why do you resort to accusing people with whom you disagree of "making
things up", Lüko, and why do you _always_ launch personal attacks on
them?

It doesn't exactly add any strength to your arguments, y'know; quite
the opposite.
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On 03/01/12 00:45, Lüko Willms wrote:
Workers ("proletarians") are the ones who produce all wealth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

Ian

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Oliver Schnell wrote in
:

This rotten company in Berlin should be closed. Tendering the S-Bahn
services could be the first step.

Re-nationalise it. A different commercial operator will squeeze it for
profit just like the current one.

Results of tendering in the last 15 years showed excellent results
concerning what the public received for the money spent for ordering
rail services. I well remeber the schedules and level of service we had
on many railway lines before tendering was applied.


Oliver Schnell