On 03/01/2012 13:16, Lüko Willms wrote:

isn't it ridiculous to claim that the nature of a company stops being
a "real commercial company" when the composition of her shareholders
changes?

No. If a company is owned by, say, a national government which runs the
company with some objective other than making a commercial return then
the "company stops being a "real commercial company"".

HTH


--
Graham Nye
news(a)thenyes.org.uk

On Jan 3, 7:15*pm, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:


At the platform in Friedrichstraße station, trains arriving from East
Berlin were first checked by East German border guards if everyone on
board was in possession of a visa to West Germany, and the carriages
were searched by dogs from underneath.


Now why, if the people were as happy to in the DDR as Luko says, would
that have needed to do that?

ian

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:10:15 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
That is, simply by selling and buying shares on the stock
exchange,
the very nature of the company is being changed. Too strange, but
YOUR
statement.

You can't buy shares in DB on the stock market as they are all owned
by the German Government...

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On 02/01/2012 20:47, wrote:
On 02/01/2012 20:18, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
wrote
in :

They were running steam engines well into the 1970s, were they not.

Yes, but that was true in West Germany. East Germany used steam
traction into the 1980s on goods trains.

Didn't know that. Where else in Europe, either East or West, were they
running steam in revenue service until the 80s?

Vale of Rheidol :-)

There are reports of steam in the USSR into the 1980s.

DB had "working" narrow-gauge steam in the former east until the lines
were sold off in the mid-2000s - perhaps a bit of a grey area how "real"
it was, but they were regular timetabled services with were normal
passengers as well as anoraks.

Poland never stopped using steam, with Wolsztyn passing pretty
seamlessly from working trains to using steam as a way of encouraging
tourism. There was still steam hauled freight in the early 2000s.

There is still working industrial steam in Bosnia, Kosovo and maybe Serbia.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 02/01/2012 00:46, The Real Doctor wrote:

Anyway, phone services in
the UK are far, far better and far, far cheaper than when the Post
Office had a monopoly.

Not /quite/ a monopoly.... one place had (and still has) a separate
provider of fern curls.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:16:58 +0100 [UTC], Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 02:19, schrieb Ross:

Why do you resort to accusing people with whom you disagree of "making
things up", Lüko, and why do you_always_ launch personal attacks on
them?

isn't it ridiculous to claim that the nature of a company stops being
a "real commercial company" when the composition of her shareholders
changes?

That's not an answer to the question, Lüko, and you know it.

Why do you resort to making personal attacks on people with whom you
disagree?
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On 02/01/2012 23:57, Lüko Willms wrote:


Do you also care about the color of the skin of the shareholdes, their
religion, their sexual orientation, their preferred sports?

The religious views of a shareholder in one UK-based transport group
attracted some public interest in the not too distant past.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 03/01/2012 13:18, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 10:43, schrieb Neil Williams:
Have you ever looked up "nationalised" in a dictionary?

Tell me more about your ideas how trading shares at the stock exchange
changes the nature of a company, switching it from "real commercial" to
the opposite.

If 100% of the shares are owned by the state, how does trading happen?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article ,
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 02/01/2012 00:46, The Real Doctor wrote:

Anyway, phone services in
the UK are far, far better and far, far cheaper than when the Post
Office had a monopoly.

Not /quite/ a monopoly.... one place had (and still has) a separate
provider of fern curls.

Do you mean Hurl ?

Nick
--
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"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:32:09 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

On 02/01/2012 20:47, wrote:
On 02/01/2012 20:18, Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
wrote
in :

They were running steam engines well into the 1970s, were they not.

Yes, but that was true in West Germany. East Germany used steam
traction into the 1980s on goods trains.

Didn't know that. Where else in Europe, either East or West, were they
running steam in revenue service until the 80s?

Vale of Rheidol :-)

There are reports of steam in the USSR into the 1980s.

DB had "working" narrow-gauge steam in the former east until the lines
were sold off in the mid-2000s - perhaps a bit of a grey area how "real"
it was, but they were regular timetabled services with were normal
passengers as well as anoraks.

AFAIAA there are various revenue-earning lines with at least partial
steam working which are state or local government owned.

Poland never stopped using steam, with Wolsztyn passing pretty
seamlessly from working trains to using steam as a way of encouraging
tourism. There was still steam hauled freight in the early 2000s.

There is still working industrial steam in Bosnia, Kosovo and maybe Serbia.