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CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
In message , at 19:29:03 on Thu, 19 Jan
2012, Michael Finfer remarked: I doubt that a Smart Card would be used for bridge and tunnel tolls as most cars in the greater New York area are equipped with special transponders that toll gates read. They can also be used on other road agencies' territories -- even in Ontario, in Canada. Who knows, though? It's the same technology, RFID, but tapping a smart card at a toll booth defeats the big advantage that electronic tolling systems have: no need to stop and open your window. I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls. Instead of cash, for non-regular users. There's a toll bridge/tunnel at the Thames Estuary, for example, and while they have a transponder scheme my usage of the crossing when I lived nearby was only perhaps once a year. A contactless credit card seems a better bet than adding interoperability to any particular transport smart card though. -- Roland Perry |
CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
On Jan 3, 6:31*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 03/01/2012 11:21, SB wrote: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...arliecards-cau... Line ride from Charles/MGH back to their car in South Boston. They had more than $10 on each of their cards, but the station gates failed to open, displaying an "expired'' message. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to trap people /inside/ the Boston metro system...? -- Arthur Figgis * * * * * * * * Surrey, UK Charlie doesn't work that way IIRC - it's only read on entry. To get out there's an uncontrolled turnstile type thingie |
CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
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On Jan 3, 6:31 pm, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 03/01/2012 11:21, SB wrote: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...arliecards-cau... Line ride from Charles/MGH back to their car in South Boston. They had more than $10 on each of their cards, but the station gates failed to open, displaying an "expired'' message. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to trap people /inside/ the Boston metro system...? Charlie doesn't work that way IIRC - it's only read on entry. To get out there's an uncontrolled turnstile type thingie Oooooohhhhh http://www.mit.edu/~jdreed/t/charlie.html |
CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls.
Instead of cash, for non-regular users. There's a toll bridge/tunnel at the Thames Estuary, for example, and while they have a transponder scheme my usage of the crossing when I lived nearby was only perhaps once a year. A contactless credit card seems a better bet than adding interoperability to any particular transport smart card though. We already have interoperable toll transponders with E-ZPass. There are 22 different road and bridge authorities that accept each other's passes, and some other odds and ends like airport parking. Even if the MTA goes to a smartcard for transit I would be astonished if they accepted it for tolls. The Port Authority already has a smartcard for their PATH transit, and I've never heard anyone suggest using it on their six toll crossings. I gather that the vast majority of toll trips in New York use E-ZPass already, since the passes are issued free if linked to a credit or debit card, the toll discounts are significant, and there's no charge for us occasional users when we don't use it. The incremental benefit of taking Smartlink or whatever for the fraction of drivers that live in the region but don't have E-ZPass would be pretty minimal. R's, John |
CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
In message , at 18:31:57 on Fri, 20 Jan
2012, John Levine remarked: I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls. Instead of cash, for non-regular users. There's a toll bridge/tunnel at the Thames Estuary, for example, and while they have a transponder scheme my usage of the crossing when I lived nearby was only perhaps once a year. A contactless credit card seems a better bet than adding interoperability to any particular transport smart card though. We already have interoperable toll transponders with E-ZPass. Off-hand I can only think of three toll routes in the UK, plus the London Congestion Zone (which I think doesn't have a transponder). I realise toll routes are much more common in the USA. -- Roland Perry |
London Congestion Zone charge (was: CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?))
Roland Perry wrote:
at 18:31:57 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012, John Levine remarked: I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls. Instead of cash, for non-regular users. There's a toll bridge/tunnel at the Thames Estuary, for example, and while they have a transponder scheme my usage of the crossing when I lived nearby was only perhaps once a year. A contactless credit card seems a better bet than adding interoperability to any particular transport smart card though. We already have interoperable toll transponders with E-ZPass. Off-hand I can only think of three toll routes in the UK, plus the London Congestion Zone (which I think doesn't have a transponder). I realise toll routes are much more common in the USA. I didn't realize there were no transponders. It's enforced entirely with photographs of license plates? |
London Congestion Zone charge (was: CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?))
In message , at 21:08:37 on Fri, 20 Jan
2012, Adam H. Kerman remarked: Off-hand I can only think of three toll routes in the UK, plus the London Congestion Zone (which I think doesn't have a transponder). I realise toll routes are much more common in the USA. I didn't realize there were no transponders. It's enforced entirely with photographs of license plates? Even toll roads in the USA are enforced by photographs of licence plates (I don't think cars without transponders are impaled on spikes). There's also some enforcement by foot patrols, although I've never been sure how widespread they are. That's because you have to pay by the day once inside, which can't be enforced solely by entry cameras on the periphery. -- Roland Perry |
CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
On 20/01/2012 00:29, Michael Finfer wrote:
On 1/19/2012 5:34 PM, wrote: aybe even for bridge and tunnel tolls. I doubt that a Smart Card would be used for bridge and tunnel tolls as most cars in the greater New York area are equipped with special transponders that toll gates read. They can also be used on other road agencies' territories -- even in Ontario, in Canada. Who knows, though? It's the same technology, RFID, but tapping a smart card at a toll booth defeats the big advantage that electronic tolling systems have: no need to stop and open your window. I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls. Michael Finfer Bridgewater, NJ I also tend to believe that toll booths will be dismantled and that cars will be able to travel at normal speeds on a motorway while readers mounted on a frame over it will simply read the transponders. I saw that once on the New Jersey Turnpike. For those cars that are either from out of town or lacking a transponder, they will have cameras with license plate recognition software. |
London Congestion Zone charge
On 20/01/2012 21:08, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Roland wrote: at 18:31:57 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012, John remarked: I'm not sure why any agency would go the smart card route for tolls. Instead of cash, for non-regular users. There's a toll bridge/tunnel at the Thames Estuary, for example, and while they have a transponder scheme my usage of the crossing when I lived nearby was only perhaps once a year. A contactless credit card seems a better bet than adding interoperability to any particular transport smart card though. We already have interoperable toll transponders with E-ZPass. Off-hand I can only think of three toll routes in the UK, plus the London Congestion Zone (which I think doesn't have a transponder). I realise toll routes are much more common in the USA. I didn't realize there were no transponders. It's enforced entirely with photographs of license plates? Yes, the London congestion charging uses cameras with licence-plate recognition software. |
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