London Congestion Zone charge
 

"tim...." wrote:

how does all this work with rental cars?

Presumably the same as it does with speeding citations. You get a bill from the
rental car company after the fact along with a hefty administrative surcharge.

London Congestion Zone charge
 

On 21-Jan-12 16:23, John Levine wrote:

Please do not remove attribution lines.

In general, they send the bill to the registered owner of the car. A
rental car agency sends them back the contact information of the persons
who had rented the car at the specified dates and times on the bill, and
new bills are sent to those persons.

Sometimes. In my experience, it's more common for the rental company
to pay the toll and then bill the customer.

I was speaking to the specific examples further back in this thread,
which you have snipped in your response. I don't know how it's done
elsewhere.

S


--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

London Congestion Zone charge
 

On Jan 21, 11:41*am, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
On 21-Jan-12 00:13, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
at 21:08:37 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012, Adam H. Kerman remarked:

Off-hand I can only think of three toll routes in the UK, plus the
London Congestion Zone (which I think doesn't have a transponder).

I realise toll routes are much more common in the USA.

I didn't realize there were no transponders. It's enforced entirely
with photographs of license plates?

Even toll roads in the USA are enforced by photographs of licence plates

No one enforces toll collection with photographs of license plates as
the primary system of enforcement. It supplements transponders.

That depends on what you mean by "primary". *CTRMA (Austin, TX) and NTTA
(Dallas/Ft Worth, TX) give discounts for using a transponder, but those
without are simply billed by mail at the cash rate. *As long as the bill
is paid on time, there are no fines.

(I don't think cars without transponders are impaled on spikes).

Hah! I like spikes to protect grade crossings.

So an errant driver would be brought to a halt on top of the tracks,
directly in the path of an approaching train, rather than (as most do
today) make it across safely?

He would only do it once!

London Congestion Zone charge
 

Bruce wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:

Yes. I've explained my position many, many, many times on Usenet.
Errant motorists take needless risks with their own lives and the lives
of others because they don't believe they'll be injured or killed.
I want grade-crossing protection that increases the risk of death or
serious injury to the driver for gross violation as an example to all
the other idiots.

Will there be guns involved? Pretty please?

;-)

Unemployed East German sharpshooters to protect and enforce grade
crossing is another possibility; this was someone else's idea.

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On 21/01/2012 22:06, tim.... wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 21-Jan-12 14:16, tim.... wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 21-Jan-12 00:13, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Roland wrote:
Even toll roads in the USA are enforced by photographs of licence
plates

No one enforces toll collection with photographs of license plates as
the primary system of enforcement. It supplements transponders.

That depends on what you mean by "primary". CTRMA (Austin, TX) and NTTA
(Dallas/Ft Worth, TX) give discounts for using a transponder, but those
without are simply billed by mail at the cash rate. As long as the bill
is paid on time, there are no fines.

how does all this work with rental cars?

In general, they send the bill to the registered owner of the car. A
rental car agency sends them back the contact information of the persons
who had rented the car at the specified dates and times on the bill, and
new bills are sent to those persons.

So they don't make some staggeringly high charge for doing this (like they
would in Europe)


In Denver paying the toll this way appeared to be a lot higher than the
'normal' charge. The whole system confused me enough that I didn't ever
bother using the toll road.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
 

on Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Neil Williams remarked:
paywave credit cards. Although I always feel a bit awkward using a
credit card for such small purchases.

Why? I usually have a rule that if I can pay by card I do.

Because I know all the processing and billing costs have to be paid by
someone, and in the end it's the consumers. I'm also not that interested
in getting a credit card bill with dozens of tiny items on it, because
it makes it harder to spot the transactions that really do need
checking, rebilling to a client etc.
--
Roland Perry

cards, was E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
 

In message , at 22:24:35 on Sat, 21 Jan
2012, John Levine remarked:
Why? If you get points for every purchase, why not charge everything
you can? That's what I do.

This does assume you have the discipline to pay off your cards every month.

Or get a charge card that gives points. But I'm still not in favour of
generating piles of paper and statement entries for what are in essence
petty cash transactions.
--
Roland Perry

E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
 

On 22/01/2012 09:11, Roland Perry wrote:
on Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Neil Williams remarked:
paywave credit cards. Although I always feel a bit awkward using a
credit card for such small purchases.

Why? I usually have a rule that if I can pay by card I do.

Because I know all the processing and billing costs have to be paid by
someone, and in the end it's the consumers.

Handling cash has quite a high cost as well, again, ultimately paid by
the consumers.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
 

In message , at 09:43:26 on Sun, 22
Jan 2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
paywave credit cards. Although I always feel a bit awkward using a
credit card for such small purchases.

Why? I usually have a rule that if I can pay by card I do.

Because I know all the processing and billing costs have to be paid by
someone, and in the end it's the consumers.

Handling cash has quite a high cost as well, again, ultimately paid by
the consumers.

As a rule of thumb it's about 1% for cash and 2% for credit cards.
--
Roland Perry

E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)
 

On 22/01/2012 09:57, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:43:26 on Sun, 22
Jan 2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
paywave credit cards. Although I always feel a bit awkward using a
credit card for such small purchases.

Why? I usually have a rule that if I can pay by card I do.

Because I know all the processing and billing costs have to be paid by
someone, and in the end it's the consumers.

Handling cash has quite a high cost as well, again, ultimately paid by
the consumers.

As a rule of thumb it's about 1% for cash and 2% for credit cards.

Debit cards?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail