In message , at 12:37:05 on Mon, 19 Mar
2012, Stephen Sprunk remarked:
your entire country is smaller than some of our "service areas".
Remember that the US has roughly twice the area of the entire EU, so our
"domestic" is your "international".

I thought you said that the USA didn't have service areas any more, just
national coverage thanks to the domestic roaming agreements.

We were discussing 1G service, which no longer exists.

So the bit about "our domestic is your international" should have been
in the past tense (backdated to 1G)?

"Service areas"
mostly went away with 2G service and free domestic roaming; the only
obvious remainder is they determine which area code your number is from.

--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
writes
Because I'm not convinced that accepting a debit card which passes the
C&P PIN, but is later declined because of lack of funds, is at the
retailer's risk.
My debit card has a hologram on the back with an amount on it which the
bank will honour, funds or no.
--
Clive

In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 11:10:46 on Mon, 19 Mar
2012, Stephen Sprunk remarked:
Even if that wasn't EMV, it's just a matter of time until someone
figures out how to do it.
In the mean time, it's so unlikely, especially if the objective is
stealing a few train tickets, that we can discount it.
Unlikely? It's a certainty. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has
already done so and just hasn't publicized that fact--for obvious reasons.
It's not the kind of secret that would keep very well.
I'm not too sure about that, remember everyone with a computer using
fake cards to decode satellite, until I believe it became outlawed, now
no-one hears anything but it still goes on.
--
Clive

"Clive" wrote

My debit card has a hologram on the back with an amount on it which the
bank will honour, funds or no.

That's from the time when debit cards doubled as cheque guarantee cards -
before the cheque guarantee scheme was abolished.

Peter

In message , at 19:09:22 on
Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Peter Masson remarked:
My debit card has a hologram on the back with an amount on it which
the bank will honour, funds or no.

That's from the time when debit cards doubled as cheque guarantee cards
- before the cheque guarantee scheme was abolished.

And the amount was relevant to the cheque guarantee, not its use as
debit card.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 19:03:06 on Mon,
19 Mar 2012, Clive remarked:
Even if that wasn't EMV, it's just a matter of time until someone
figures out how to do it.
In the mean time, it's so unlikely, especially if the objective is
stealing a few train tickets, that we can discount it.
Unlikely? It's a certainty. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has
already done so and just hasn't publicized that fact--for obvious reasons.
It's not the kind of secret that would keep very well.
I'm not too sure about that, remember everyone with a computer using
fake cards to decode satellite, until I believe it became outlawed, now
no-one hears anything but it still goes on.

SkyTV hacks are well known. And what's interesting to observers in the
security industry is the "early adopters" of such things, not the "long
tail".
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 19:09:22 on
Mon, 19 Mar 2012, Peter Masson remarked:
My debit card has a hologram on the back with an amount on it which
the bank will honour, funds or no.
That's from the time when debit cards doubled as cheque guarantee
cards - before the cheque guarantee scheme was abolished.
And the amount was relevant to the cheque guarantee, not its use as
debit card.
As different shops have different "floor limits" this can only apply to
the amount of guarantee by the bank, otherwise all cards would need to
be authorised.
--
Clive

In message , at 19:43:41 on Mon,
19 Mar 2012, Clive remarked:
My debit card has a hologram on the back with an amount on it which
the bank will honour, funds or no.
That's from the time when debit cards doubled as cheque guarantee
cards - before the cheque guarantee scheme was abolished.
And the amount was relevant to the cheque guarantee, not its use as
debit card.
As different shops have different "floor limits" this can only apply to
the amount of guarantee by the bank, otherwise all cards would need to
be authorised.

The figure printed on the card is only relevant when used as a cheque
guarantee card (RIP).
--
Roland Perry

On 19-Mar-12 13:20, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:37:05 on Mon, 19 Mar
2012, Stephen Sprunk remarked:
your entire country is smaller than some of our "service areas".
Remember that the US has roughly twice the area of the entire EU, so
our "domestic" is your "international".

I thought you said that the USA didn't have service areas any more, just
national coverage thanks to the domestic roaming agreements.

We were discussing 1G service, which no longer exists.

So the bit about "our domestic is your international" should have been
in the past tense (backdated to 1G)?

It was poorly phrased. The scope of your "domestic" service is similar
to the scope of our 1G "service areas"; our "domestic" service covers an
area twice the size of the EU, i.e. what would be "international" in a
European context.

If you prefer something more concrete, consider the UK has a land area
of 243,610 km^2--slightly smaller than Oregon, our 9th-largest state,
and 1/37th that of the entire US.

"Service areas"
mostly went away with 2G service and free domestic roaming; the only
obvious remainder is they determine which area code your number is from.

Think of this in terms of having free pan-EU roaming vs. your current
national service, with your service location only determining which
country code your number is from.

S

--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

Hi!

On 18.03.2012 14:18, Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 18, 12:58 pm, wrote:

In , Roland Perry
writes:
Coastal base stations (such as the one which you contacted in northern
France) can be adjusted to allow twice the normal propagation delay, so
that large areas of sea are covered.

The last few times I've been on a Sealink Ferry I've got their very own
base station.

Sealink?

I'm not aware of any of the cross-channel ferries offering their own
on-ship base stations, at least on the eastern crossings, e.g. Dover-
Calais/Dunkirk. My experience has been that you retain mobile
reception from one side or another for the whole cross-channel ferry
crossing.

I only ever used Norfolk Line / DFDS on the Dunkirk - Dover run ... and
seem to remember that on top one had French/UK mobile reception. Below
decks, this switched over to a local (to the boat) relay.

Cheers,

Johannes.