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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Mack wrote:
were looking out the box with installing OHLE equipment on the entire
Victoria line along with this new fleet.

Some ideas should stay in the box because they're just a little bit
daft.

Agreed -- for a line that's entired in small tunnels, OHLE really would
be a waste of space.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:34:13 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
the superbly comfortable 1938 stock. I know it has some technical
advantages, like regen brakes and more advanced ATO, but it's less
comfortable and less reliable than the stock it replaced, without
providing any extra space.

If they hadn't used such ridiculously thick walls behind the seats they
could have provided quite a bit more standing room. The trains are slightly
larger externally but you'd never know it inside. All they've achieved by
that is making sure the trains can't run on any other tube line and have to
be taken away by road for anything that can't be done at northumberland park.
Not the brightest decision LU have ever made.

B2003

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:34:13 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
the superbly comfortable 1938 stock. I know it has some technical
advantages, like regen brakes and more advanced ATO, but it's less
comfortable and less reliable than the stock it replaced, without
providing any extra space.

If they hadn't used such ridiculously thick walls behind the seats
they could have provided quite a bit more standing room. The trains
are slightly larger externally but you'd never know it inside. All
they've achieved by that is making sure the trains can't run on any
other tube line and have to be taken away by road for anything that
can't be done at northumberland park. Not the brightest decision LU
have ever made.

But was it LU's decision, or Metronet's? I don't think LU had very much
say in the design of the 2009 and S stock, as long as it met the basic
spec. It was also not put out to tender -- Bombardier, as one of the
Metronet partners, got the order automatically.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:40:06 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Mack wrote:
were looking out the box with installing OHLE equipment on the entire
Victoria line along with this new fleet.

Some ideas should stay in the box because they're just a little bit
daft.

Agreed -- for a line that's entired in small tunnels, OHLE really would
be a waste of space.

Not to mention potentially dangerous. There would probably be mere inches
from the train roof to the wire so it might not take much for it to touch
the train and electrocute everyone.

Plus of course they have to retrofit all their engineering trains unless
they'd keep the 4th rail for them. Which would render the whole exercise
pointless.

B2003

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:51:11 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
But was it LU's decision, or Metronet's? I don't think LU had very much
say in the design of the 2009 and S stock, as long as it met the basic
spec. It was also not put out to tender -- Bombardier, as one of the
Metronet partners, got the order automatically.

Don't know, but I'd have thought loading gauge would be a pretty fundamental
part of the basic spec.

B2003

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(Recliner) wrote:

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:34:13 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
the superbly comfortable 1938 stock. I know it has some technical
advantages, like regen brakes and more advanced ATO, but it's less
comfortable and less reliable than the stock it replaced, without
providing any extra space.

If they hadn't used such ridiculously thick walls behind the seats
they could have provided quite a bit more standing room. The trains
are slightly larger externally but you'd never know it inside. All
they've achieved by that is making sure the trains can't run on any
other tube line and have to be taken away by road for anything that
can't be done at northumberland park. Not the brightest decision LU
have ever made.

But was it LU's decision, or Metronet's? I don't think LU had very
much say in the design of the 2009 and S stock, as long as it met the
basic spec. It was also not put out to tender -- Bombardier, as one
of the Metronet partners, got the order automatically.

and helped to kill off Alstom at Washwood Heath.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:09:46 on Thu, 12 Jan
2012, d remarked:
Agreed -- for a line that's entired in small tunnels, OHLE really would
be a waste of space.

Not to mention potentially dangerous. There would probably be mere inches
from the train roof to the wire so it might not take much for it to touch
the train and electrocute everyone.

Faraday Cage.
--
Roland Perry

On Jan 12, 3:34*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"Mack" wrote in message.

Yes, that's certainly true. In fact, from the passenger point of view, I
don't think the 2009 stock is any advance on the 1967 stock, or even of
the superbly comfortable 1938 stock. I know it has some technical
advantages, like regen brakes and more advanced ATO, but it's less
comfortable and less reliable than the stock it replaced, without
providing any extra space.

At least the S stock is air-conditioned and has open gangways, even if
it's not really much of a revolution in other ways. Even the top speed
is no more than the A stock originally could do.

I dislike the 09ts. Victoria line was my local Tube when growing up so
I loved the 67ts. 09 just feels like an inflated knock off of a 95.

Still not keen on the S stock either.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:48:28 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:09:46 on Thu, 12 Jan
2012, d remarked:
Agreed -- for a line that's entired in small tunnels, OHLE really would
be a waste of space.

Not to mention potentially dangerous. There would probably be mere inches
from the train roof to the wire so it might not take much for it to touch
the train and electrocute everyone.

Faraday Cage.

That won't help anyone at a crowded station who might be touching or leaning
on the doors or sides of the train.

B2003

In message , at 09:50:54 on Fri, 13 Jan
2012, d remarked:
Not to mention potentially dangerous. There would probably be mere inches
from the train roof to the wire so it might not take much for it to touch
the train and electrocute everyone.

Faraday Cage.

That won't help anyone at a crowded station who might be touching or leaning
on the doors or sides of the train.

They aren't "everyone"
--
Roland Perry