In article , d ()
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:20 -0000
"Paul Scott" wrote:
info, back in December, when the south entrance opened. Although they
mentioned that a 'penalty' would apply if you simply took a walk across
the river via the mainline platforms, they also explicitly stated that a

A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised.

Now, now! That's like calling any two entrance gated station a toll bridge.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , d ()
wrote:

A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised.

Now, now! That's like calling any two entrance gated station a toll
bridge.

I'd have gone with toll tunnel!, but as you suggest, and as pointed out by
others back in November, it works exactly the same as if you entered and
left any other barriered station between 2 and 30 mins later. (IIRC someone
posted those exact figures.)

Paul

Paul Scott wrote

A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I
surprised.

Now, now! That's like calling any two entrance gated station a toll

bridge.

I'd have gone with toll tunnel!, but as you suggest, and as pointed
out by
others back in November, it works exactly the same as if you entered
and
left any other barriered station between 2 and 30 mins later. (IIRC
someone
posted those exact figures.)

Guildford station is or was a free bridge. When I last noticed there
was a machine that dispensed free platform tickets.

Any recent news or other examples ?

--
Mike D

On 23/02/2012 22:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:21:08 +0000, "
wrote:

On 23/02/2012 11:13, Clive Page wrote:
On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote:
Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early.

It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I
found out yesterday.

The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators
up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the
Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short
flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that
the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent
to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't
consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be
escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located.


I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube
station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if
you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance,
you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out
again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station.
These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from
tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station.

You would have at least thought that they would have thought of this
earlier.

Earlier in the thread Mizter T confirmed there was no charge for
walking through the NR station provided you continued on a LU journey.
A blog article has also confirmed this situation.

I can assure you that NR to LU at Blackfriars is an OSI and has been
since PAYG was extended to NR. I have seen the official paperwork that
says this.

What happened on your exploration that means you were charged for
crossing the NR station and then changing to LU? What were you
charged on your Oyster card or are you just speculating?

I had to go to the ticket window and ask what happened as all of a
sudden the £3 that I just charged on the South Bank side onto my card,
which I used to enter the station, was gone.

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:20 -0000
"Paul Scott" wrote:
info, back in December, when the south entrance opened. Although they
mentioned that a 'penalty' would apply if you simply took a walk across
the
river via the mainline platforms, they also explicitly stated that a

A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised.

A toll bridge that's free to TfL employees. Most excellent..:-)

Cheers, Steve.

wrote on 24 February 2012
21:53:06 ...
On 23/02/2012 22:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:21:08 +0000, "
wrote:

On 23/02/2012 11:13, Clive Page wrote:
On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote:
Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early.

It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I
found out yesterday.

The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators
up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the
Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short
flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that
the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent
to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't
consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be
escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located.


I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube
station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if
you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance,
you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out
again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station.
These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from
tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station.

You would have at least thought that they would have thought of this
earlier.

Earlier in the thread Mizter T confirmed there was no charge for
walking through the NR station provided you continued on a LU journey.
A blog article has also confirmed this situation.

I can assure you that NR to LU at Blackfriars is an OSI and has been
since PAYG was extended to NR. I have seen the official paperwork that
says this.

What happened on your exploration that means you were charged for
crossing the NR station and then changing to LU? What were you
charged on your Oyster card or are you just speculating?

I had to go to the ticket window and ask what happened as all of a
sudden the £3 that I just charged on the South Bank side onto my card,
which I used to enter the station, was gone.

Which ticket window, and which gates had you gone through by then?
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me:

(a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and
fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be
really pretty arches -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...o117,o97,j.jpg

Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed
for display for the station (particularly the first)?

(b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the
fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the
Eastbound platform goes up?

(c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube.
Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase
round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the
balcony?

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...65c77bfc06.jpg

(d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level
(connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground
level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only
about one floor long?

On 25/02/2012 09:36, lonelytraveller wrote:
Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me:

(a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and
fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be
really pretty arches -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...o117,o97,j.jpg

Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed
for display for the station (particularly the first)?

(b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the
fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the
Eastbound platform goes up?

(c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube.
Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase
round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the
balcony?

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...65c77bfc06.jpg

(d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level
(connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground
level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only
about one floor long?

The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI.

In message , at 16:12:25 on Sat,
25 Feb 2012, " remarked:

The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI.

...LL ?
--
Roland Perry

"lonelytraveller" wrote in
message
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Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me:

(b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the
fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the
Eastbound platform goes up?

I have some downloaded planning drawings for this stuff, and the difference
seems to be that the east bound side goes up to an emergency exit at the
Queen Victoria street level, but the westbound side heads off underneath the
rail station's basement level, with an emergency exit to the street at a
similar level to the platforms, possibly at the level of the embankment -
Upper Thames St maybe? (There is another short staircase further down the
passageway which raises the passageway back up to approximately platform
level.)

Paul S