"Graeme Wall" wrote

So we are up to 10 different stations in one place. Any advance on 10?

Kings Cross Main (current platforms 0-8)
Kings Cross Local (current platforms 9-11)
Kings Cross Suburban (former platforms 14-17, demolished in or since the
1970s)
Kings Cross Thameslink (formerly Metropolitan or LT)
KXStP(Circle, H&C and Met)
KXStP(Northern Line)
KXStP(Piccadilly Line)
KXStP(Victoria Line)
St Pancras E*
St Pancras (Kent Domestics)
St Pancras (Midland Main Line)
SPILL

12 - and as much separate stations as Waterloo - though the most existing
together at one time is 10, or 11 if you count KXTL which still exists as an
emergency exit.

Peter

In article
,
(77002) wrote:

Not true. Firstly, your list of stations for which there were "up to
6" contains 7 stations. Secondly, you failed to include the Necropolis
Station, which increases the number of stations.-

Was not the Windsor side once considered separate? I know that is now
the empty International Station.

The International Station only partly replaced the Windsor side of Waterloo.
Platforms 16-19 were always part of the Windsor side.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Feb 25, 2:02*pm, wrote:
In article
,

(77002) wrote:
Not true. Firstly, your list of stations for which there were "up to
6" contains 7 stations. Secondly, you failed to include the Necropolis
Station, which increases the number of stations.-

Was not the Windsor side once considered separate? *I know that is now
the empty International Station.

The International Station only partly replaced the Windsor side of Waterloo.
Platforms 16-19 were always part of the Windsor side.

If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

"77002" wrote

If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

The 19th century North station was the last to be built before the whole
station was redeveloped in the early part of the 20th century. The roof of
this North station was in good condition, so was not replaced in the general
rebuilding. This then became the Windsor lines part of the station, and as
you say, was replaced when International was built.

Among other changes when International was built, the north Yard was
abolished, along with the hoist down to the W&C - so since then stock for
the W&C has to be caned in and out of the W&C Yard.

Peter

Peter

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:39:00 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:



"77002" wrote

If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

The 19th century North station was the last to be built before the whole
station was redeveloped in the early part of the 20th century. The roof of
this North station was in good condition, so was not replaced in the general
rebuilding. This then became the Windsor lines part of the station, and as
you say, was replaced when International was built.

Among other changes when International was built, the north Yard was
abolished, along with the hoist down to the W&C - so since then stock for
the W&C has to be caned in and out of the W&C Yard.

Won't a tawse do the job ?

In article ,
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:39:00 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:



"77002" wrote

If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

The 19th century North station was the last to be built before the whole
station was redeveloped in the early part of the 20th century. The roof of
this North station was in good condition, so was not replaced in the general
rebuilding. This then became the Windsor lines part of the station, and as
you say, was replaced when International was built.

Among other changes when International was built, the north Yard was
abolished, along with the hoist down to the W&C - so since then stock for
the W&C has to be caned in and out of the W&C Yard.

Won't a tawse do the job ?

I'm no stickin my hand out for a tawse that big.

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:44:48 -0800 (PST), lonelytraveller
wrote:

On Feb 25, 9:21*am, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:01:32 -0800 (PST), lonelytraveller


wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:14*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"burkey" wrote

Plans to start Croxley Rail Link services in 2016

The formal (Railways Act 2005) closure notice for Watford LUL station has
now been published. Any objections must be in by 12 April, though actual
closure will not take place until the Croxley Link is open, expected in
2016.

Peter

Why didn't they run a parliamentary "replacement bus service",
instead? It worked for network southeast, with the croxley line.

That was a tactic to avoid having to run trains, not something that
applies in the case of the Croxley Link except when work requires it.

It avoids having to run trains to Watford (cassiobury park) Station.
And especially avoids having to pay lip service to criticism from the
locals.

If services to Watford continue until transfer day and Watford High
Street and Watford Junction become the official replacements for
Watford Met. then there is no service to be bustituted. Unless there
is a practical restriction on doing so, services to Watford Met. could
continue with a temporary junction at the diversion point to allow an
overnight change of timetabled services or a temporary delay of
diversion if something unforeseen** crops up with running Met. trains
in passenger service into Watford Junction.

** There will presumably be a NR/LU train detector at Watford High
Street to stop trains going the wrong way or will Gunnersbury-style
cockups still be possible ?.

On Feb 25, 10:53*pm, Charles Ellson
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:44:48 -0800 (PST), lonelytraveller





wrote:
On Feb 25, 9:21*am, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 00:01:32 -0800 (PST), lonelytraveller

wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:14*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"burkey" wrote

Plans to start Croxley Rail Link services in 2016

The formal (Railways Act 2005) closure notice for Watford LUL station has
now been published. Any objections must be in by 12 April, though actual
closure will not take place until the Croxley Link is open, expected in
2016.

Peter

Why didn't they run a parliamentary "replacement bus service",
instead? It worked for network southeast, with the croxley line.

That was a tactic to avoid having to run trains, not something that
applies in the case of the Croxley Link except when work requires it.

It avoids having to run trains to Watford (cassiobury park) Station.
And especially avoids having to pay lip service to criticism from the
locals.

If services to Watford continue until transfer day and Watford High
Street and Watford Junction become the official replacements for
Watford Met. then there is no service to be bustituted. Unless there
is a practical restriction on doing so, services to Watford Met. could
continue with a temporary junction at the diversion point to allow an
overnight change of timetabled services or a temporary delay of
diversion if something unforeseen** crops up with running Met. trains
in passenger service into Watford Junction.

This is an expense I doubt Hertford County, TfL, et al will want to
incurr.

** There will presumably be a NR/LU train detector at Watford High
Street to stop trains going the wrong way or will Gunnersbury-style
cockups still be possible ?.

IMHO The latter. LUL Trains could be stopped utilizing their
tripcock. I do not know if Overground trains have any AWS.

On Feb 25, 7:39*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"77002" wrote



If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. *It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. *IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

The 19th century North station was the last to be built before the whole
station was redeveloped in the early part of the 20th century. The roof of
this North station was in good condition, so was not replaced in the general
rebuilding. This then became the Windsor lines part of the station, and as
you say, was replaced when International was built.

Among other changes when International was built, the north Yard was
abolished, along with the hoist down to the W&C - so since then stock for
the W&C has to be caned in and out of the W&C Yard.

It is a pity the W&C cannot be extended to form a more useful thru
route. It might then have a proper depot, somewhere.

On 25/02/2012 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:39:00 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:



wrote

If my memory serves, and it has been a while: The Windsor Platforms
had a different style roof from the mainline side. It was this part
of the station that was dismantled in order to build the International
station. IIRC a signal box was also removed and the approaches
straightened.

The 19th century North station was the last to be built before the whole
station was redeveloped in the early part of the 20th century. The roof of
this North station was in good condition, so was not replaced in the general
rebuilding. This then became the Windsor lines part of the station, and as
you say, was replaced when International was built.

Among other changes when International was built, the north Yard was
abolished, along with the hoist down to the W&C - so since then stock for
the W&C has to be caned in and out of the W&C Yard.

Won't a tawse do the job ?

We must have discipline.

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman