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(77002) wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:13*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"77002" wrote in message


...
Last I read, LUL were not accepting more "S" stock, until problems
with existing deliveries are resolved.

If that was the article in Modern Railways, it was printed at about the
same time deliveries restarted...

Thank you. I have not utilized "S" stock yet. Everything I have read
tells me that the trains are not ideal for a London to Amersham journey.

I wouldn't go that far from my one trip (between Kings Cross St Pancras and
Great Portland Street).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote


I thought that Chiltern as a rule called at only a limited number of
stops, including Harrow-on-the-Hill, Rickmansworth, Chorleywood, Chalfont
& Latimer and Amersham.

FYI, Chiltern trains operating on that section of the Metropolitan line
don't use AWS, but rather tripcocks.

IIRC BR trains ceased serving Moor Park around the time when the 165s were
introduced. Otherwise, Chiltern serve all Met Fast Line stations, i.e. those
where Chiltern trains pass a platform. Rickmansworth only gets a limited
peak service (AIUI this is a platform length issue), while about half the
peak service runs fast from Amersham to Marylebone (morning peak), or from
Marylebone to Amersham or Great Missenden (evening peak).

Peter

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:21:13 -0800 (PST), 77002
wrote:

On Feb 25, 7:04*pm, "
wrote:
On 25/02/2012 18:28, 77002 wrote:



On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, "Paul
wrote:
*wrote in message

...

Last I read, LUL were not accepting more "S" stock, until problems
with existing deliveries are resolved.

If that was the article in Modern Railways, it was printed at about the same
time deliveries restarted...

Thank you. *I have not utilized "S" stock yet. *Everything I have read
tells me that the trains are not ideal for a London to Amersham
journey.

The doorway designs on the S-8s are such that it is difficult to stand
next to them the way one would on an A-stock train.

When is D-Day for the A-stocks, BTW?

And, as I understand: Gone are the high backed seats,

Gone are a lot of seats.

the luggage
racks and the umbrella hooks.

To make matters worse Chiltern no longer call at all Met. Fast stops.

wrote on 25 February 2012 22:05:43 ...
In article
,
(77002) wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, "Paul
wrote:
wrote in message


...
Last I read, LUL were not accepting more "S" stock, until problems
with existing deliveries are resolved.

If that was the article in Modern Railways, it was printed at about the
same time deliveries restarted...

Thank you. I have not utilized "S" stock yet. Everything I have read
tells me that the trains are not ideal for a London to Amersham journey.

I wouldn't go that far from my one trip (between Kings Cross St Pancras and
Great Portland Street).

They seem OK to me, given that A stock is hardly ideal for
London-Amersham either, IMHO.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:14:04 +0000, "Richard J."
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wrote on 25 February 2012 22:05:43 ...
In article
,
(77002) wrote:

On Feb 25, 5:13 pm, "Paul
wrote:
wrote in message


...
Last I read, LUL were not accepting more "S" stock, until problems
with existing deliveries are resolved.

If that was the article in Modern Railways, it was printed at about the
same time deliveries restarted...

Thank you. I have not utilized "S" stock yet. Everything I have read
tells me that the trains are not ideal for a London to Amersham journey.

I wouldn't go that far from my one trip (between Kings Cross St Pancras and
Great Portland Street).

They seem OK to me, given that A stock is hardly ideal for
London-Amersham either, IMHO.

The new trains have fewer seats, which are much harder, and most are
longitudinal. It's noticeable that the transverse seats are much more
popular. However, I agree that the squishy seats in the venerable A
stock are also not back-friendly, and the compressor racket, scratched
windows, etc are off-putting too.

Charles Ellson wrote:
77002
wrote:
" wrote:
The doorway designs on the S-8s are such that it is difficult to stand
next to them the way one would on an A-stock train.

When is D-Day for the A-stocks, BTW?

And, as I understand: Gone are the high backed seats,


Gone are a lot of seats.


I can't really see the point of this for the Metropolitan. The
Circle/Hammersmith and City, yes. The District, perhaps. But these
trains appear completely unsuited to Amersham and Chesham services
because of their comparative lack of seating and its comparative lack
of comfort. How anyone could select such trains for the Metropolitan
simply beggars belief.

Coupled with the eye-watering increase in the price of Travelcards
from Amersham, the increasing provision of S Stock has caused me to
rethink my modes of travel to and from London.

If I am going somewhere that involves entering the Congestion Charge
zone, I use Chiltern from Aylesbury or Stoke Mandeville or London
Midland from Tring. If I am going somewhere that doesn't, I drive.

So far this year, I haven't used the train at all.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:26:27 +0000, Bruce
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
77002
wrote:
" wrote:
The doorway designs on the S-8s are such that it is difficult to stand
next to them the way one would on an A-stock train.

When is D-Day for the A-stocks, BTW?

And, as I understand: Gone are the high backed seats,


Gone are a lot of seats.


I can't really see the point of this for the Metropolitan. The
Circle/Hammersmith and City, yes. The District, perhaps. But these
trains appear completely unsuited to Amersham and Chesham services
because of their comparative lack of seating and its comparative lack
of comfort. How anyone could select such trains for the Metropolitan
simply beggars belief.

Ah, the wonders of PPI schemes... Of course, initially the lack of
seating was justified by the higher frequency and shorter running
times that were planned to be introduced at the same time, thanks to
the new signalling system

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:13:13 +0000, Recliner wrote:

Ah, the wonders of PPI schemes... Of course, initially the lack of
seating was justified by the higher frequency and shorter running
times that were planned to be introduced at the same time, thanks to
the new signalling system

How much shorter?

--
jhk

On 26/02/2012 13:26, Bruce wrote:
Charles wrote:

wrote:
" wrote:
The doorway designs on the S-8s are such that it is difficult to stand
next to them the way one would on an A-stock train.

When is D-Day for the A-stocks, BTW?

And, as I understand: Gone are the high backed seats,


Gone are a lot of seats.


I can't really see the point of this for the Metropolitan. The
Circle/Hammersmith and City, yes. The District, perhaps. But these
trains appear completely unsuited to Amersham and Chesham services
because of their comparative lack of seating and its comparative lack
of comfort. How anyone could select such trains for the Metropolitan
simply beggars belief.

Coupled with the eye-watering increase in the price of Travelcards
from Amersham, the increasing provision of S Stock has caused me to
rethink my modes of travel to and from London.

If I am going somewhere that involves entering the Congestion Charge
zone, I use Chiltern from Aylesbury or Stoke Mandeville or London
Midland from Tring. If I am going somewhere that doesn't, I drive.

So far this year, I haven't used the train at all.


It was always my impression that the S8s would have different seating
arrangements from the S7s, to reflect the areas that they serve.

On 26/02/2012 17:13, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:26:27 +0000,
wrote:

Charles wrote:

wrote:
" wrote:
The doorway designs on the S-8s are such that it is difficult to stand
next to them the way one would on an A-stock train.

When is D-Day for the A-stocks, BTW?

And, as I understand: Gone are the high backed seats,


Gone are a lot of seats.


I can't really see the point of this for the Metropolitan. The
Circle/Hammersmith and City, yes. The District, perhaps. But these
trains appear completely unsuited to Amersham and Chesham services
because of their comparative lack of seating and its comparative lack
of comfort. How anyone could select such trains for the Metropolitan
simply beggars belief.

Ah, the wonders of PPI schemes... Of course, initially the lack of
seating was justified by the higher frequency and shorter running
times that were planned to be introduced at the same time, thanks to
the new signalling system

.... which isn't even up and running yet. Brilliant how they were able to
do that in the Jubilee line, part of which runs parallel to Metropolitan
line tracks, but not on the latter.