Full hybrid buses
 

Hey all,

I was on one of the new hybrid buses on route 12, the ones where the
internal combustion engine shuts down at bus stops and/or traffic signals.

I think the NB4L vehicles on the 38 also did this, but the ambient noise
(the bus' a/c???) was quite loud, so I couldn't tell for sure.

Are these two routes the only ones that run like this?

PEACE!


--
"It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have..."

Full hybrid buses
 

On 11/03/2012 13:31, Ernesto wrote:
Hey all,

I was on one of the new hybrid buses on route 12, the ones where the
internal combustion engine shuts down at bus stops and/or traffic signals.

I think the NB4L vehicles on the 38 also did this, but the ambient noise
(the bus' a/c???) was quite loud, so I couldn't tell for sure.

Are these two routes the only ones that run like this?

PEACE!


21, 141 and 76 also run with hybrids, IIRC.

Full hybrid buses
 

wrote in message
...
On 11/03/2012 13:31, Ernesto wrote:
Hey all,

I was on one of the new hybrid buses on route 12, the ones where the
internal combustion engine shuts down at bus stops and/or traffic
signals.

I think the NB4L vehicles on the 38 also did this, but the ambient noise
(the bus' a/c???) was quite loud, so I couldn't tell for sure.

Are these two routes the only ones that run like this?

PEACE!


21, 141 and 76 also run with hybrids, IIRC.

As do 17, 26, 20,20A.

But I suppose it rather depends which town you are in. :o)

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mar 11, 5:40*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:08:04 +0000, "
wrote:

On 11/03/2012 13:31, Ernesto wrote:
I was on one of the new hybrid buses on route 12, the ones where the
internal combustion engine shuts down at bus stops and/or traffic signals.

I think the NB4L vehicles on the 38 also did this, but the ambient noise
(the bus' a/c???) was quite loud, so I couldn't tell for sure.

Are these two routes the only ones that run like this?

21, 141 and 76 also run with hybrids, IIRC.

The TfL 21 does not use hybrids.

Indeed.

Further info here...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...emes/2019.aspx

---quote---
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

Full hybrid buses
 

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote:
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a
depot to rot?

B2003

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 09:44, d wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter wrote:
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We
had some Dennis Darts in Southampton running on hydrogen around the same
time. They disappeared at the same time as their conventional counterparts.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:55:50 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in
a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We

Doubt it, AFAIR they used a fuel cell, not just a piston engine running on
hydrogen.

B2003

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 10:23, d wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:55:50 +0000
Graeme wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in
a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We

Doubt it, AFAIR they used a fuel cell, not just a piston engine running on
hydrogen.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/6585.aspx may answer your question.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 10:23, David Walters wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

Page Not Found

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 10:44, Graeme Wall wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:23, David Walters wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that
were plying their trade around central london about 8 years back
and that Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time?
Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

Page Not Found


Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:56:49 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

"This is part of our bid to reduce CO2 emissions from transport and i
tackle climate change."

Not if the hydrogen is made using electricity from coal fired power stations
it isn't. Its probably worse than diesel.

B2003

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 10:56, Mizter T wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:44, Graeme Wall wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:23, David Walters wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that
were plying their trade around central london about 8 years back
and that Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time?
Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

Page Not Found


Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

Doh! should have noticed. Anyway that should answer Boltar's question,
though it may not be the answer he was hoping for.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mar 12, 10:23*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:55:50 +0000

Graeme Wall wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in
a
depot to rot?

Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. *We

Doubt it, AFAIR they used a fuel cell, not just a piston engine running on
hydrogen.

B2003

The original ones are scrapped or stored without running units in
preservation hands, some new ones arrived last year; the first lot
were M-B Citaros, the current ones are VDL/Wrightbus.

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 12:21, Jim wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:38:29 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

What a waste of money. Why couldn't they keep them in service? Surely the
fuel cell isn't life expired after 3 years?

B2003

Full hybrid buses
 

In article ,
(Graeme Wall) wrote:

On 12/03/2012 12:21, Jim wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were
plying their trade around central london about 8 years back and that
Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold,
scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year
so it may well be at Acton.

According to the TfL web page it is there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Full hybrid buses
 

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:38:29 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

It was parked round the back of the Depot at Acton last time I visited
the test train section down there. Unfortunately I didn't have a
camera with me.

Isn't that what a phone's for these days?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Full hybrid buses
 

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 12/03/2012 09:44, d wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter wrote:
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were
plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken
made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left
in a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We
had some Dennis Darts in Southampton running on hydrogen around the same
time. They disappeared at the same time as their conventional
counterparts.

If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid natural
gas or somesuch. Ruddy great tanks on the roof, made them the nearest you'd
get these days to driving a trolleybus, and the tanks held enough gas for
3/4 of a day's work.

http://www.henden.co.uk/303and117.jpg
http://www.henden.co.uk/117and303.jpg

Fire Brigade: -"We must turn the gas off. Wheres the tap?"
Onlooking Driver:- "On the back of the front bus. Squashed up against the
back bus."

:o)

Full hybrid buses
 

On 12/03/2012 15:13, Ian wrote:
"Graeme wrote in message
...
On 12/03/2012 09:44, d wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter wrote:
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were
plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken
made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left
in a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We
had some Dennis Darts in Southampton running on hydrogen around the same
time. They disappeared at the same time as their conventional
counterparts.

If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid natural
gas or somesuch. Ruddy great tanks on the roof, made them the nearest you'd
get these days to driving a trolleybus, and the tanks held enough gas for
3/4 of a day's work.

http://www.henden.co.uk/303and117.jpg
http://www.henden.co.uk/117and303.jpg

Or in happier days, before the First plague descended on Southampton:
www.greywall.demon.co.uk/Ecobus.jpg

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:13:48 -0000, "Ian" wrote:
If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid
natural
gas or somesuch.

CNG is used to fuel buses in Vevey, CH and also I think in Delhi.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Full hybrid buses
 

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:13:48 -0000, "Ian" wrote:
If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid
natural gas or somesuch.

CNG is used to fuel buses in Vevey, CH and also I think in Delhi.

A CNG powered bus was used on the Cambridge City Centre shuttle for several
years. It wasn't reliable enough, though and was replaced by a better Euro
standard diesel.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mar 12, 6:23*pm, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:13:48 -0000, "Ian" wrote:
If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid
natural
gas or somesuch.

CNG is used to fuel buses in Vevey, CH and also I think in Delhi.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Just wondering if hybrids, electrically powered, have to be checked
for current leaks, in the way trolleybuses used to be?
Does static electricity build up a charge on them? Or am I way off
course here!

Tony Martin

Full hybrid buses
 

Tony Martin wrote:
On Mar 12, 6:23 pm, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:13:48 -0000, "Ian" wrote:
If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid
natural
gas or somesuch.
CNG is used to fuel buses in Vevey, CH and also I think in Delhi.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Just wondering if hybrids, electrically powered, have to be checked
for current leaks, in the way trolleybuses used to be?
Does static electricity build up a charge on them? Or am I way off
course here!

They don't need to be checked for leakage current every day, no,
although the systems on ours are self checking for other safety risks.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

Full hybrid buses
 

Having ridden on most of those routes, I think it's only on the 12 (and
possibly the 38 NB4Ls), where the vehicle shuts off the diesel engine,
then runs on electricity only as it accelerates for a few metres from a
stand, maybe to 10mph, then the engine restarts and takes over for
normal running.

On 11/03/2012 18:20, Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 11, 5:40 pm, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:08:04 +0000, "
wrote:

On 11/03/2012 13:31, Ernesto wrote:
I was on one of the new hybrid buses on route 12, the ones where the
internal combustion engine shuts down at bus stops and/or traffic signals.

I think the NB4L vehicles on the 38 also did this, but the ambient noise
(the bus' a/c???) was quite loud, so I couldn't tell for sure.

Are these two routes the only ones that run like this?

21, 141 and 76 also run with hybrids, IIRC.

The TfL 21 does not use hybrids.

Indeed.

Further info here...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...emes/2019.aspx

---quote---
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.


--
"It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have..."

Full hybrid buses
 

On Monday, 12 March 2012 09:44:14 UTC, (unknown) wrote:

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a
depot to rot?

One of them crashed in Lakehurst, NJ and Ken gave up on them.

Full hybrid buses
 

Remember that amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.

Full hybrid buses
 

On Monday, 12 March 2012 14:39:24 UTC, wrote:

Isn't that what a phone's for these days?

♫In good times
In bad times
I'll be on your side forever more....
That's what phones are for...♫

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
Remember that amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.

Except noahs awk is a childrens story whereas the titanic was real.

B2003

Full hybrid buses
 

On 26/03/2012 11:33, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:
Remember that amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.

Except noahs awk is a childrens story whereas the titanic was real.

Is that a scripting language where all the variables have to be used 2 by 2?

Full hybrid buses
 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:44:33 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 26/03/2012 11:33, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:
Remember that amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.

Except noahs awk is a childrens story whereas the titanic was real.

Is that a scripting language where all the variables have to be used 2 by 2?

:o)

Yes, I was using it this morning, stuck in my brain.

B2003