On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:42:51 +0100, "Paul Scott"
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 27/05/2012 16:41, Paul Scott wrote:

How else did SWT systematically remove them from every station they run
(with a few exceptions where there is no TVM)?

Are there any left, I thought they'd all been converted now?

Redbridge, Millbrook and Beaulieu Rd are the three locally, they each just
have a permit machine, but it is a new style by S&B, not the familiar NSE
red painted device.

Not S & B I think but metric Aura.
--
Stuart Johnson in Peterhead, Scotland
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:42:51 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Redbridge, Millbrook and Beaulieu Rd are the three locally, they each
just
have a permit machine, but it is a new style by S&B, not the familiar NSE
red painted device.

Not S & B I think but metric Aura.

Here's a pic:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/statio...67-0000087.jpg

I was going on secondhand info that they were made by S&B - they seem to
have matched the S&B colour scheme to a certain extent, which might explain
the mistake...

Paul

Bruce wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
Bruce wrote:
While doing this, you would have to be careful not to jangle the other
coins in your pocket. That would give the lie to your claim of having
only 5p.

You could plead coppers, which I can't recall PTTs or TVMs taking.
Alternatively use a wallet with a tight coin compartment or a separate coin
holder.


That you have obviously thought about this worries me a little. ;-)

Could you successfully argue that any remaining change you had was needed
for a bus journey at your destination? Is the requirement to give all
change you have, or all change you can spare?

Lewis

On 28/05/2012 13:24, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 13:13:43
on Mon, 28 May 2012, David Cantrell remarked:
My experience is that if after getting off a train you go straight to a
member of staff and tell them you need to buy a ticket, you won't have
any problems. The reason you don't have a ticket doesn't seem to
matter.

And LUL used to have ticket windows specifically for that purpose. What
was the thinking behind closing them?

The start of the Penalty Fares regime and the requirement to get a
ticket before travel.

On 28/05/2012 06:58, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In message
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ian batten wrote:
Booking and paying for a hotel room without a card
would be close to impossible, I suspect, although I've never tried it,
and that's a service offered to the general public.

At least twice in the last year I've booked a hotel (in the UK) without
giving a credit card and paid cash when I checked out in the morning.

(Both were small places, not big chains, but that's irrelevant to your
point.)


Also done the same.

On 25/05/2012 21:53, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 25/05/2012 21:39, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
[...]
So what if the machine does take cash (not cards) but currently doesn't
give change ?

Not NR but Tramlink, today (only half the party had London Freedom
passes).

"If the ticket machine runs out of change, you can choose to be issued
with a refund voucher instead, which can be changed at the Tramlink
shop, in person or by post. We will refund postage costs."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...user-guide.pdf

I dare say it won't be too long before Tramlink TVMs are replaced (the
current ones don't even do Oyster).

On 29/05/2012 19:36, Mizter T wrote:

On 25/05/2012 21:53, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 25/05/2012 21:39, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
[...]
So what if the machine does take cash (not cards) but currently doesn't
give change ?

Not NR but Tramlink, today (only half the party had London Freedom
passes).

"If the ticket machine runs out of change, you can choose to be issued
with a refund voucher instead, which can be changed at the Tramlink
shop, in person or by post. We will refund postage costs."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...user-guide.pdf

I dare say it won't be too long before Tramlink TVMs are replaced (the
current ones don't even do Oyster).


Although (as I'm sure you will know, but others might not) there are
separate validators. You can't add money though.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , at 19:21:11 on Tue, 29 May
2012, Mizter T remarked:
My experience is that if after getting off a train you go straight to a
member of staff and tell them you need to buy a ticket, you won't have
any problems. The reason you don't have a ticket doesn't seem to
matter.

And LUL used to have ticket windows specifically for that purpose. What
was the thinking behind closing them?

The start of the Penalty Fares regime and the requirement to get a
ticket before travel.

They were "excess" windows, and also useful if you had changed your mind
en route about where you were going.
--
Roland Perry

On 29/05/2012 20:53, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 19:21:11 on Tue, 29 May
2012, Mizter T remarked:

My experience is that if after getting off a train you go straight to a
member of staff and tell them you need to buy a ticket, you won't have
any problems. The reason you don't have a ticket doesn't seem to
matter.

And LUL used to have ticket windows specifically for that purpose. What
was the thinking behind closing them?

The start of the Penalty Fares regime and the requirement to get a
ticket before travel.

They were "excess" windows, and also useful if you had changed your mind
en route about where you were going.

Were they not actually "unpaid fare" windows?

In message , at 00:27:29 on Wed, 30 May 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
And LUL used to have ticket windows specifically for that purpose. What
was the thinking behind closing them?

The start of the Penalty Fares regime and the requirement to get a
ticket before travel.

They were "excess" windows, and also useful if you had changed your mind
en route about where you were going.

Were they not actually "unpaid fare" windows?

Nope, "excess fares":

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-crackdown-on-
underground-1432060.html

It seems there are still a few on National Rail:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/statio...9-0000062.html
--
Roland Perry