London Overground in chaos
 

From nationalrail.co.uk:

Incident created 02/06/2012 19:59 Last updated20:34 - 02/06/2012
Route affected
Stratford, Dalston Kingsland, Camden Road, Gospel Oak, West Hampstead,
Kensal Rise, Willesden Junction, Shepherds Bush, Kensington Olympia,
West Brompton, Imperial Wharf & Clapham Junction / Acton Central,
South Acton, Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens & Richmond
Train operator affected London Overground
Description
Overhead wire problems are causing disruption near Willesden Junction.

Because of this, the following changes will apply until further
notice:
There are currently no trains between Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction
There are currently no trains between Stratford and Richmond
Journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes

Passengers may use London Underground services on all reasonable
routes.


--
gordon

London Overground in chaos
 

On 02/06/2012 20:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:38:43 +0100, "
wrote:

On 02/06/2012 13:14, Recliner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Furley
wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:14 pm, wrote:
On May 27, 4:49 pm, wrote:

Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

The overcrowding is probably the worst thing; it's actually been too
successful.

Yes, the trains urgently need those fifth cars. It's amazing that
three-car 313s were regarded as adequate not so long ago.

When are those fifth cars due to come into service?

There is no firm, funded plan for 5 cars on parts of the Overground.
TfL have submitted the proposal as part of their overall submission
for works during Control Period 5 which starts in 2014. The
Government will announce what works it will progress and fund for CP5
in July 2012. My view is that Boris will be "rewarded" for his
Mayoral election victory by government agreeing to either fund
Overground improvements or devolve some franchises to TfL control or
possibly both. I think there is some heavyweight lobbying going on at
the moment.

Which franchises, for example, Northern City Line?

London Overground in chaos
 

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:59:38 +0100, wrote:
On 02/06/2012 20:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
My view is that Boris will be "rewarded" for his
Mayoral election victory by government agreeing to either fund
Overground improvements or devolve some franchises to TfL control or
possibly both. I think there is some heavyweight lobbying going on at
the moment.

Which franchises, for example, Northern City Line?

Doesn't the services that run on that line terminate well outside London?

Could the line to Chingford be a likely candidate?

--
jhk

London Overground in chaos
 

e27002 wrote:

Last I knew the postal address
Chessington, Surrey is/was actually in London.

You can put "Chessington", "Chessington, Surrey", "Chessington, London",
"Chessington, Greater London", "Chessington, Occupied Surrey", "Chessington,
Neverneverland" or "Chessington, [Whatever]" on a postal address. Royal Mail
no longer require counties to be included - they gave up in 1996 around the
time of technological advancements and yet another round of local government
reorganisation changing county boundaries.

--
My blog: http://adf.ly/4hi4c

London Overground in chaos
 

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:00:07 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:45:53 -0700 (PDT), e27002
wrote:

On Jun 2, 2:37*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
"e27002" wrote:
Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent.

What's this London proper as opposed to "annexed Surrey and Kent"? And what
about "annexed Essex", "annexed Hertfordshire" and "still Hertfordshire"?!

Middlesex was never South of the Thames. The creation of the LCC saw
large chunks of Surrey and Kent Annexed to London. The creation of
the GLC saw more land grabs. Last I knew the postal address
Chessington, Surrey is/was actually in London.

Essex and Herts? I agree, they have lost a chunk of their tax base.

It's getting on for 50 years since the "annexations" happened -- how
many more decades will it be before you accept them as fact?

For as long as people keep accusing non-Londoners of being Londoners ?

London Overground in chaos
 

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT), gordonT
wrote:

From nationalrail.co.uk:

Incident created 02/06/2012 19:59 Last updated20:34 - 02/06/2012
Route affected
Stratford, Dalston Kingsland, Camden Road, Gospel Oak, West Hampstead,
Kensal Rise, Willesden Junction, Shepherds Bush, Kensington Olympia,
West Brompton, Imperial Wharf & Clapham Junction / Acton Central,
South Acton, Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens & Richmond
Train operator affected London Overground
Description
Overhead wire problems are causing disruption near Willesden Junction.

Because of this, the following changes will apply until further
notice:
There are currently no trains between Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction
There are currently no trains between Stratford and Richmond
Journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes

Passengers may use London Underground services on all reasonable
routes.

Why exactly is it that _any_ railway problems in London are "chaos"?

--
Frank Erskine

London Overground in chaos
 

In message , at 00:35:09 on
Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Frank Erskine remarked:
Why exactly is it that _any_ railway problems in London are "chaos"?

Because with the number of passengers (and tph) disruption does often
cause chaos.
--
Roland Perry

London Overground in chaos
 

On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
e27002 wrote:
Last I knew the postal address
Chessington, Surrey is/was actually in London.

You can put "Chessington", "Chessington, Surrey", "Chessington, London",
"Chessington, Greater London", "Chessington, Occupied Surrey", "Chessington,
Neverneverland" or "Chessington, [Whatever]" on a postal address. Royal Mail
no longer require counties to be included - they gave up in 1996 around the
time of technological advancements and yet another round of local government
reorganisation changing county boundaries.

Understood. And it was a good thing. AFIK, the UK was the only
entity still utilizing counties in mailing addresses. However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Southwark, Putney, Wimbledon, et al, suffered the same fate in 1889.

No liberals screaming for democracy on this one!

London Overground in chaos
 

On 02/06/2012 14:45, e27002 wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:37 pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering"T.C.Roll-
wrote:
wrote:
Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent.

What's this London proper as opposed to "annexed Surrey and Kent"? And what
about "annexed Essex", "annexed Hertfordshire" and "still Hertfordshire"?!

Middlesex was never South of the Thames. The creation of the LCC saw
large chunks of Surrey and Kent Annexed to London. The creation of
the GLC saw more land grabs. Last I knew the postal address
Chessington, Surrey is/was actually in London.

Essex and Herts? I agree, they have lost a chunk of their tax base.

County Hall for Surrey, is in Kingston Upon Thames, which is now London
(with a Surrey address)

London Overground in chaos
 

On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:
On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
*However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

Peter