Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

The aggressive police and 'crowd control' stewards hadn't a clue how
to treat people, incl. kids, the elderly, the infirm, wheelchair
users, etc., herding everyone around like sheep regardless.

Its going to be fun to see all of the Railcos screw up during the
Olympics.

CJB.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 6, 1:36*pm, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18313891

Diamond Jubilee passengers left on railway platforms

Many of the trains to London were full

Dozens of passengers trying to reach London on Chiltern rail services
were left on platforms as trains to the capital were full.

The first Marylebone service to leave Birmingham was full at Moor
Street station, according to passengers.

Many more trying to get on at Dorridge, Warwick and Banbury were left
behind to wait for later trains.

CJB.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 6, 1:36*pm, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tration-861150

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1565838.html

etc.

A crucial question is whether Stratford Station will be able to cope.
As I understand it, people buy Olympic tickets for a three hour period
which presumably means that every three hours or so there will be a major
surge in passengers. If that is correct, will the ticket barriers at Stratford
be sufficient to "process" the resulting hordes or will there be massive congestion?

It is not of course only the train companies who need to perform well.
There is also London Underground. This afternoon, just to provide a
little encouragement for the faint hearted, the Central Line was
suspended between Liverpool Street and Leytonstone because of
a burst main at Mile End. If the Central Line stops at the wrong moment
during the Olympics, there will be total chaos.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 6, 1:22*pm, CJB wrote:
IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

The aggressive police and 'crowd control' stewards hadn't a clue how
to treat people, incl. kids, the elderly, the infirm, wheelchair
users, etc., herding everyone around like sheep regardless.

Its going to be fun to see all of the Railcos screw up during the
Olympics.

CJB.

Well 1 of the former NSE area TOC north of the river still not agreed
T + C for extra Olympic staffing !!

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On 06/06/2012 13:36, Recliner wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

I think Southeastern at least were running longer trains on Sunday. I
read a suggestion that public interest in the Thames Pageant event had
perhaps been rather underestimated by some (perhaps including TOC planners).

Anyway, even if public transport performs reasonably well during the
Olympic Games, I'm sure it'll be a complete shambles according to CJB's
expert assessments...

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 6, 6:01*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 06/06/2012 13:36, Recliner wrote:









On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

I think Southeastern at least were running longer trains on Sunday. I
read a suggestion that public interest in the Thames Pageant event had
perhaps been rather underestimated by some (perhaps including TOC planners).

Anyway, even if public transport performs reasonably well during the
Olympic Games, I'm sure it'll be a complete shambles according to CJB's
expert assessments...

There did seem to be a huge lack of planning, especially over the
Sunday. The stewards were offensive, probably due to being forced to
sleep on the streets and then having to work 14 hours without being
allowed to go to the toilet, all this for sod all money. Why cannot we
plan for this sort of thing in this country? If you think a million
people are possibly going to be jammed into a very small area of
London, twenty metres either side of the Thames from Battersea to the
Tower, why run a Sunday service. Don't they learn form the past? I'm
waiting for the headlines on July 28th, its not beyond imagination
that there will be a total failure to cope the night before

Neill

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:51:12 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

On Jun 6, 1:36*pm, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

IMHO - NO!!

Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

None of the traincos. ran a Saturday service. None put on extra
coaching stock. Many thousands were left on platforms unable to board
the cattle trains they needed to get to London.

I thought the problems were mainly on the Sunday, when they ran only a
normal or slightly enhanced Sunday service for what turned out to be
much larger crowds than they expected. From what I heard, trains
worked OK on the other days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18313891

Diamond Jubilee passengers left on railway platforms

Many of the trains to London were full

Dozens of passengers trying to reach London on Chiltern rail services
were left on platforms as trains to the capital were full.

The first Marylebone service to leave Birmingham was full at Moor
Street station, according to passengers.

Many more trying to get on at Dorridge, Warwick and Banbury were left
behind to wait for later trains.

Yes, as I said, the problems were on the Sunday, when they didn't
boost services to at least Saturday levels. This won't be an issue for
the Olympics, when services will be running at max capacity.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

neill wrote:

There did seem to be a huge lack of planning, especially over the
Sunday. The stewards were offensive, probably due to being forced to
sleep on the streets and then having to work 14 hours without being
allowed to go to the toilet, all this for sod all money. Why cannot we
plan for this sort of thing in this country?


But it was planned. Pay them fsck all, tell them to sleep rough under
a bridge (no trolls please!) and then work without a break for 14
hours. How dare they ask to go to the toilet ...they'll be wanting to
eat next!

Welcome to the Big Society © D Cameron 2010.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In message , at 22:07:26 on
Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Recliner remarked:
Yes, as I said, the problems were on the Sunday, when they didn't
boost services to at least Saturday levels. This won't be an issue for
the Olympics, when services will be running at max capacity.

Is National Rail running a M-F service all weekend during the Olympics
(plus the extra "get you home" trains of course)?
--
Roland Perry

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In message , at 17:15:06 on Wed, 6
Jun 2012, Robin9 remarked:
A crucial question is whether Stratford Station will be able to cope.
As I understand it, people buy Olympic tickets for a three hour period

Known in the business as "morning", "afternoon" and "evening".

which presumably means that every three hours or so there will be
a
major surge in passengers. If that is correct, will the ticket
barriers
at Stratford be sufficient to "process" the resulting hordes or will
there be massive congestion?

There isn't just one pinch point (at the barriers), spectators first
have to exit the particular event, then exit the Olympic Park, then
filter through the Westfield environs to either the International or
Domestic stations (which are some way apart).

That should string out the queues, so you don't have everyone in a
single scrum.

What'll be interesting to discover is how they segregate the passengers
according to their destinations, and presumably won't want the DLR link
from International to Domestic being saturated by short-hop people,
rather than those genuinely headed for docklands and beyond on DLR.
--
Roland Perry

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In article ,
CJB wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer you can't lift.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 7, 11:57*am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In article ,

CJB wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - * * * * *Never trust a computer you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

Neill

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On 07/06/2012 15:11, Neill wrote:
On Jun 7, 11:57 am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In ,

wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in, load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


The Olympic experience is all about being bullied by jobsworths and
being ripped off for a mediocre product, enjoy!


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

Neill wrote:

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
=A395 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


Anyone who wants to see the Olympic Park without paying an Olympic
price for a ticket to watch an event can apparently pay £10 to get in
and have a walk round during the Paralympics.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On 07/06/2012 15:25, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 07/06/2012 15:11, Neill wrote:
On Jun 7, 11:57 am, (Jim Hague) wrote:
In
,

wrote:
Judging by the fiasco of handling the cold, wet and bedraggled crowds
in London over the last four days of the Jubilee Shen. (= shenanigan
as in alt.shenanigan) I don't think that they have a chance.

Rail in Sydney in the weeks leading up the 2000 Olympics was rather a
shambles. Trains derailing right left and centre, large delays all
over the place. It was obvious transport during the Games were going
to be a disaster.

Then, for the duration of the Games, it ran like clockwork. Crowd
control was
mostly done by the Olympic volunteers, cheerfully and efficiently.
Coming out of the main stadium, for example, you were guided to the
station, and then admitted to the platform in batches via parallel
entrances and positioned. At which point a train would glide in,
load in
next to no time, and depart. No delays, very efficiently done.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer
you can't lift.

If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered


The Olympic experience is all about being bullied by jobsworths and
being ripped off for a mediocre product, enjoy!



The Olympics is all about...

"Amateur" sport undertaken by those paid very highly to do so - in
some cases they are actually called "professional" all the rest of the year.

Wondering how many medals have been won by those who haven't taken drugs.

Massive sponsorship deals which lead to the "bullied by
jobsworths..." situation above.

The pride of carrying an Olympic torch and then flogging it on e-bay.

Inconvenience, queues, then more inconvenience and more queues - and
that's for those *not* going to the Games.

The good Baron de Coubertin must be turning in his grave to see the
corrupt and money-grabbing depths to which his sporting vision has
descended. My sympathies are with the genuine athletes who have put in
a lifetime of training and dedication to be part of this spectacle which
has been cheapened as above. To a lesser extent, also to the citizens
of places such as Montreal, whose leaders duped them into signing up for
a lifetime of paying for it.

I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...


The Paralympics I exempt from the above as these are being contested by
people doing their level best to overcome the disadvantages which life
has thrown at them. They deserve our respect.

--
- Yokel -

Yokel posts via a spam-trap account which is not read.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In message , Yokel
writes
I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...
If it's from Bergen to Kirkenes, 1 week each way, I can recommend it.
It stops many times to pick up and drop off items en route, many in the
dead of night with stops of only 15mins. It is also better at going
sideways into port than the royal barge was, and all computer
controlled.
--
Clive

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

Yokel wrote:
The Olympics is all about...

"Amateur" sport undertaken by those paid very highly to do so - in
some cases they are actually called "professional" all the rest of the year.

Wondering how many medals have been won by those who haven't taken drugs.

Massive sponsorship deals which lead to the "bullied by
jobsworths..." situation above.

The pride of carrying an Olympic torch and then flogging it on e-bay.

Inconvenience, queues, then more inconvenience and more queues - and
that's for those *not* going to the Games.

The good Baron de Coubertin must be turning in his grave to see the
corrupt and money-grabbing depths to which his sporting vision has
descended. My sympathies are with the genuine athletes who have put in
a lifetime of training and dedication to be part of this spectacle which
has been cheapened as above. To a lesser extent, also to the citizens
of places such as Montreal, whose leaders duped them into signing up for
a lifetime of paying for it.

I sincerely hope to spend much of the Olympics in the more civilised
environment of a cruise ship in Norwegian waters...


The Paralympics I exempt from the above as these are being contested by
people doing their level best to overcome the disadvantages which life
has thrown at them. They deserve our respect.


Very well said, sir! Agree 100%.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 7, 3:57*pm, Bruce wrote:
Neill wrote:
If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
=A395 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

Anyone who wants to see the Olympic Park without paying an Olympic
price for a ticket to watch an event can apparently pay £10 to get in
and have a walk round during the Paralympics.

Cost you £15 on top to go up that red tower thing though

Here's a couple of links to what is not permitted in Olympic venues.
With water costing £1.60 a bottle, it does make me wonder whether its
being run by BAA

http://www.london2012.com/mm/Documen...ts_Neutral.pdf

http://www.london2012.com/mm/Documen...ls_Neutral.pdf

Neill

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

"neill" wrote in message
...
On Jun 7, 3:57 pm, Bruce wrote:
Neill wrote:
If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
=A395 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

Anyone who wants to see the Olympic Park without paying an Olympic
price for a ticket to watch an event can apparently pay £10 to get in
and have a walk round during the Paralympics.

Cost you £15 on top to go up that red tower thing though

Here's a couple of links to what is not permitted in Olympic venues.
With water costing £1.60 a bottle, it does make me wonder whether its
being run by BAA

-----------------------------------------------------------------


um

what part of :

"free drinking water is available at the venue" do you not understand?

tim

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On 07/06/2012 19:12, neill wrote:
[...]
Here's a couple of links to what is not permitted in Olympic venues.
With water costing £1.60 a bottle, it does make me wonder whether its
being run by BAA.
[snip links]

You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In message
, at
11:12:46 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012, neill remarked:

http://www.london2012.com/mm/Documen...ts_Neutral.pdf

Sounds like they are going to be charging for Wifi access, or is the ban
on "hubs" and "phones as hubs" to reduce the interference?
--
Roland Perry

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

In message , at 19:19:30 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

But not baby milk. After the fuss about allowing babies in, you'd think
they'd have learnt that lesson.

I wonder if breast feeding is banned?
--
Roland Perry

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

neill wrote:
On Jun 7, 3:57=A0pm, Bruce wrote:
Neill wrote:
If they use the same rude, foul-mouthed little Hitlers they were using
on Sunday as crowd control, I very much doubt it. I got my Olympic
tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
=3DA395 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

Anyone who wants to see the Olympic Park without paying an Olympic
price for a ticket to watch an event can apparently pay =A310 to get in
and have a walk round during the Paralympics.

Cost you £15 on top to go up that red tower thing though


No chance. I saw the monstrosity from the A12 a couple of weeks ago
and that was more than enough for me. ;-)

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:00:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 19:19:30 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

But not baby milk. After the fuss about allowing babies in, you'd think
they'd have learnt that lesson.

I wonder if breast feeding is banned?

Probably depends on whether they have someone like Nestle as a
sponsor...

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:00:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 19:19:30 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

But not baby milk. After the fuss about allowing babies in, you'd think
they'd have learnt that lesson.

I wonder if breast feeding is banned?

There is a level 4 fine (up to 2500 UKP) for anyone trying to stop it
at any of the events in Scotland.

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Jun 7, 10:13*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:00:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 19:19:30 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

But not baby milk. After the fuss about allowing babies in, you'd think
they'd have learnt that lesson.

I wonder if breast feeding is banned?

There is a level 4 fine (up to 2500 UKP) for anyone trying to stop it
at any of the events in Scotland.

But any babies being breast fed or on bottled milk wont have been born
when the ticket fiasco started - so they wont have tickets - in which
case they and their parents will not be present anyway.

CJB

Can the Railways Cope with the Olympic Crowds?
 

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 04:25:45 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

On Jun 7, 10:13*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:00:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 19:19:30 on Thu, 7 Jun 2012,
Mizter T remarked:
You'll be able to bring an empty bottle and fill it up with tap water
inside the venues - tap water facilities will be provided. You'll also
be allowed to bring a reasonable amount of food.

But not baby milk. After the fuss about allowing babies in, you'd think
they'd have learnt that lesson.

I wonder if breast feeding is banned?

There is a level 4 fine (up to 2500 UKP) for anyone trying to stop it
at any of the events in Scotland.

But any babies being breast fed or on bottled milk wont have been born
when the ticket fiasco started - so they wont have tickets - in which
case they and their parents will not be present anyway.

Babies under 12 months old won't need tickets for most Olympics venues
as long as they are "securely strapped to the parent or carer by way
of a baby carrier, papoose or sling".
See
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8470L120120508

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In message
, at
04:25:45 on Fri, 8 Jun 2012, CJB remarked:
But any babies being breast fed or on bottled milk wont have been born
when the ticket fiasco started - so they wont have tickets - in which
case they and their parents will not be present anyway.

That sort of feeding goes on longer than you imagine.
--
Roland Perry

I share your dislike of the way the British taxpayer has been misinformed and exploited but I'm surprised at your figure of £ 28 billion. How did you arrive at that sum?

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In message , at 10:15:18 on Sat, 9
Jun 2012, Robin9 remarked:
Instead of making money for Britain, the whole shebang is going to
cost British taxpayers many billions of pounds. The original estimate
was a total cost of £2.4 billion. That isn't even going to pay for
security. The expected total cost is now in the region of £28 billion
and may rise even further.

I share your dislike of the way the British taxpayer has been

misinformed and exploited but I'm surprised at your figure of £ 28

billion. How did you arrive at that sum?


Even the Daily Mail only talked it up to 24bn, comprising (roughly):

12bn as an estimate for the games themselves, assuming 3m overspend on
the 9bn budget.

5bn as the cost of counter-terrorism and security services ("normal"
policing costs are elsewhere).

7bn on upgrading transport infrastructure and running extra services.

--
Roland Perry

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In article ,
Neill wrote:
I got my Olympic tickets for the weightlifting at the Excel yesterday. No liquids,
airport style security, just to get in the venue. Does that mean take
your belt and shoes off just to get into a sporting event that costs
£95 for 2 hours? I wonder how much they're going to fleece you for a
bottle of water once you get in? I paid for the tickets just for the
Olympic experience, I have no interest in weightlifing. I'm now
wondering why I bothered

There were a lot of the same stupid restrictions in Sydney too. Blame those mumping
villans at the IOC and their corporate overlords, not LOCOG.

Funnily enough, weightlifting was one of the events I went to in Sydney on spec. I had,
and still have, no ongoing interest in weightlifting. And it was damn near the best
evening I spent(*). I thought it was like high jump; start at a low weight, everyone has
3 goes, the successful ones go on to the next height. Nope. You get 3 lifts, period.
You choose the weights. It's poker, but all the chips weight a ton. Raw sport, too.
No fancy shoes or running suit is going to help. You. Chalk-dust. Big weight. Get on with it.

So I'd urge you to go. And if you don't want you, I'll have your tickets. I applied
for weightlifting and was unsuccessful.

BTW, I got my bag searched and a pad-down going into Lords last month. This ****e is
not restricted to the Olympics these days.

(*) Before you start thinking the only other event I can have been to was Greco-Roman
wrestling, I was lucky in Sydney. Main stadium twice, for men's 100 final and the hot
ticket for the locals, women's 400m. Plus 3 days at the rowing, incluing men's eight
final, hockey and the football final.
--
Jim Hague - Never trust a computer you can't lift.