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Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Jul 2, 4:19*pm, allantracy wrote:
Friedmanite dogma is a good example of Einstein's statement that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Err... wasn't it Friedmanite insanity that built our railway network, in the first place, and wasn't it Stalinist insanity, as applied to the burgeoning road network, that did so much to undermine the finances of some otherwise very sound private railway operations? Coming from a hard-line marxist the poster's remark is particularly appropriate. Everywhere his philosophy has taken power, death and misery have followed (Russia, the PRC, Cambodia, North Korea, etc., etc.). Perhaps the greatest example of the difference between socialism and freedom is the Korean Peninsula. North of the DMZ is a giant concentration camp. There the people are forced to fawn over their incompetent "leader". Their years pass in hunger and missery. To the south of the DMZ there flourishes a modern nation. The people there enjoy freedom and increasing prosperity. Periodically they elect their leaders. Their goods are a byword for quality around the world. Friedman vs. marx, wow that is a hard choice. |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Jul 2, 4:29*pm, allantracy wrote:
Yes, it is just as believable as Harold Wilson & co. saying they will halt the Beeching closures. But as for the EU - sooner or later, we will get a UK government that will tell EU precisely what to do with their policies. A lot of people are getting fed up with EU meddling in what they consider to be matters for our own government. Possibly, as early as the next election if news reports today are to be believed. However, even if we came out, it’s still highly likely that we would remain members of the single market, a basic condition of membership being that we could not engage in the protectionism of closing off any of our markets, such as railway franchises, to other members of the single market. That day cannot come soon enough. Although whether our former trading partners in the Commonwealth will want to renew trade with the UK remains to be seen. |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Jul 2, 4:55*pm, allantracy wrote:
So on the basis of your argument, David Cameron must also be setting himself (and the country) up for a great big fall. * ;-) Isn't he? Possibly, though quite how you fall out of a hole, you're clearly already in, remains to be seen. I’ve always believed that, provided David can keep his hands off the nukes, he won’t have to deliver a great deal to be considered a considerable improvement on what had come before. It would not be hard to improve on "tax and spend" Brown. However, that is still a long way from good, small, government. |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Jul 2, 7:32*pm, allantracy wrote:
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control Labour has, by now, a long record of opposing Tory reforms, in opposition, around the public sector and then failing to do a single thing about them when, or if, returned to office. They just play the political game. Thanks to their union ties, the Labour party is the real conservative party nowadays in this country, having failed to produce any real radical changes of any consequence for years. Your joking. The UK has forgotten what Conservatism is. Apart from completely f**king up the nation’s finances the only thing I can think of the last lot did that you can now, with hindsight, never see being undone was civil partnerships. There is nothing conservative about encouraging sodomy. I would have added to that list the commendable decision to create an independent BoE but as that particular piece of dysfunctional wazzock brain implementation continues to unravel by the day, to the point of needing a complete rebuild, the credit counter rather diminishes. That move in and of itself was good. It is pity the UK does not have people of the calibre needed to run an independent currency controlling bank. |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
77002 wrote: in the first place, and wasn't it Stalinist insanity, as applied to the burgeoning road network, that did so much to undermine the finances of some otherwise very sound private railway operations? Coming from a hard-line marxist the poster's remark is particularly appropriate. Everywhere his philosophy has taken power, death and misery have followed (Russia, the PRC, Cambodia, North Korea, etc., etc.). Ah , but the traditional lefty get-out clause there would be that the problems in those countries are down to corrupt government. Conveniently forgetting that human nature is a core part of any society and its government. This was something that marx conveniently forgot about in his treatise that assumed people were robotic simpletons all marching to the same tune and all putting the common good above themselves and their familes. Yeah , right. Friedman vs. marx, wow that is a hard choice. Marx is a simple solution to a complex problem and hence doesn't require you to think - that makes it the easy option for braindead left wingers. B2003 |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
In uk.railway allantracy twisted the electrons to say:
Apart from completely f**king up the nation???s finances the only thing I can think of the last lot did that you can now, with hindsight, never see being undone was civil partnerships. Devolution (including the London Assembly & Mayor) was one of their better ideas too, though as usual for any UK political party their implementation was decidedly imperfect ... I would have added to that list the commendable decision to create an independent BoE but as that particular piece of dysfunctional wazzock brain implementation continues to unravel by the day, to the point of needing a complete rebuild, the credit counter rather diminishes. The problem with the "independent" BofE was that whilst it was free to set whatever interest rate it liked to hit the inflation target, it was the Chancellor who in charge of said target. So all it really did was result in the public not blaming the Chancellor when they didn't get the interest rate they liked ... -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
In uk.railway 77002 twisted the electrons to say:
There is nothing conservative about encouraging sodomy. Quick! Let's make the government small enough that it can fit inside everyone's bedrooms? -- These opinions might not even be mine ... Let alone connected with my employer ... |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:13:38 -0700 (PDT), 77002
wrote: On Jul 2, 4:19*pm, allantracy wrote: Friedmanite dogma is a good example of Einstein's statement that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Err... wasn't it Friedmanite insanity that built our railway network, in the first place, and wasn't it Stalinist insanity, as applied to the burgeoning road network, that did so much to undermine the finances of some otherwise very sound private railway operations? Coming from a hard-line marxist the poster's remark is particularly appropriate. Everywhere his philosophy has taken power, death and misery have followed (Russia, the PRC, Cambodia, North Korea, etc., etc.). Perhaps the greatest example of the difference between socialism and freedom is the Korean Peninsula. North of the DMZ is a giant concentration camp. There the people are forced to fawn over their incompetent "leader". Their years pass in hunger and missery. To the south of the DMZ there flourishes a modern nation. Which also got there by methods involving lorry loads of their citizens disappearing overnight and never being seen again as can be found in the more comprehensive commercial photo libraries, e.g. "Suspected South Korean traitors are herded into lorries on their way to execution" in http://avaxnews.com/educative/Korean_War_1.html Neither of the local sides were angels. The people there enjoy freedom and increasing prosperity. Periodically they elect their leaders. Their goods are a byword for quality around the world. Friedman vs. marx, wow that is a hard choice. |
Labour backs plans to return railway network to public control - Guardian/Observer
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:02:40 +0000 (UTC), Alistair Gunn
wrote: In uk.railway allantracy twisted the electrons to say: Apart from completely f**king up the nation???s finances the only thing I can think of the last lot did that you can now, with hindsight, never see being undone was civil partnerships. Devolution (including the London Assembly & Mayor) That isn't devolution, that is a jumped-up county council. was one of their better ideas too, though as usual for any UK political party their implementation was decidedly imperfect ... I would have added to that list the commendable decision to create an independent BoE but as that particular piece of dysfunctional wazzock brain implementation continues to unravel by the day, to the point of needing a complete rebuild, the credit counter rather diminishes. The problem with the "independent" BofE was that whilst it was free to set whatever interest rate it liked to hit the inflation target, it was the Chancellor who in charge of said target. So all it really did was result in the public not blaming the Chancellor when they didn't get the interest rate they liked ... |
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