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London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during
the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance? B2003 |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance? I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? |
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:14:19 +0000 (UTC), martin_petrov
wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote: So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance? I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? Indeed, London's public transport system seems to be coping very well, hitting new records for passengers with few problems. The DLR, in particular, is being stress-tested like never before. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19125580 I dare say there will be more breakdowns on the Central and Jubilee lines before the Games are over, just as there are anyway, but the sheer choice over routes means that few people will be stranded. Has any previous Olympics or other large sporting event been held in a place with so many railway lines (and even a cable car for variety)? |
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Central Lines and instead to go by District Line to West Ham . . . and to walk from there to the Olympic Park! Do you know how far that is? Do you know how many elderly people were obliged to make that expedition? Westfield Shopping Centre was closed to non Olympic people. A new, major shopping precinct closed! Zero impact! |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
Robin9 wrote on 05 August 2012
13:20:54 ... martin_petrov;132158 Wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote: - So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance?- I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? Zero impact? TfL were advising passengers to avoid both the Jubilee and Central Lines and instead to go by District Line to West Ham . . . and to walk from there to the Olympic Park! Do you know how far that is? Do you know how many elderly people were obliged to make that expedition? Westfield Shopping Centre was closed to non Olympic people. A new, major shopping precinct closed! Zero impact! The restricted access to Westfield for Friday and Saturday was planned and announced in advance of any problems on the Central Line. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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You'd think there were no other bloody shops in East London the way
people keep bringing up the "Westfield was closed" argument as some example of armageddon. 1. The nearest other Waitrose is Canary Wharf which is a bit of a bloody pain to get to compared with Westfield for a lot of us locals. For a decent size M&S it's Oxford Street: no better with all that extra traffic on the Overground. 2. My complaint was less that they closed it and more that (i) they did so with less than 24 hours notice and (ii) then claimed it was part of their plans all along. In other words they are either liars or continuing the practice perciewved from TfL and LOCOG for a long time now: tell the locals as little as possible as late as possible so they don't have time to complain ('cos we'll ignore their complaints in any event so we can only win). -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On 05/08/2012 13:20, Robin9 wrote:
martin_petrov;132158 Wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote: - So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance?- I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? Zero impact? TfL were advising passengers to avoid both the Jubilee and Central Lines and instead to go by District Line to West Ham . . . and to walk from there to the Olympic Park! Do you know how far that is? Do you know how many elderly people were obliged to make that expedition? Westfield Shopping Centre was closed to non Olympic people. A new, major shopping precinct closed! Zero impact! When was Westfield closed? I was there on Sunday and two weeks ago, and I had not noticed any closures. Indeed, I saw very little delay in even getting across the bridge to get to either Westfield of to the Olympic park. |
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On 2012-08-05, Robin wrote:
You'd think there were no other bloody shops in East London the way people keep bringing up the "Westfield was closed" argument as some example of armageddon. 1. The nearest other Waitrose is Canary Wharf which is a bit of a bloody pain to get to compared with Westfield for a lot of us locals. And what on earth did you do before Westfield opened, it wasn't that long ago. Waitrose addict in so short a time? For a decent size M&S it's Oxford Street: no better with all that extra traffic on the Overground. Oxford Street? Overground???? Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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And what on earth did you do before Westfield opened, it wasn't that
long ago. Waitrose addict in so short a time? Plan differently and no. Of course might be frustrated by transport problems. But TfL sprang their surprise and then claimed it was surprise at all. If they had announced the closure of Westfield - or even the possibility of closing it - earlier I'd not have complained. (Interesting too that despite TfL's claims, John Lewis were unaware that non-Olympians might be locked out of Westfield.) For a decent size M&S it's Oxford Street: no better with all that extra traffic on the Overground. Oxford Street? Overground???? So where do you suggest I should have gone to get something special for a dinner when Westfield was denied to me? Or how would you have got to Oxford St from Homerton? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
And despite all the anti-TfL ranting in this
thread, this was not in any way caused by TfL. Who then please was responsible for the decision and for it being communicated so late? (TfL were in the frame in all the reports I saw, and I have seen no statement from an official source other than that from TfL - see eg http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/medi...tre/25135.aspx) -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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There is a perfectly decent Waitrose at South Woodford which is about
5-7 mins walk from the tube. It has a far better range that the Waitrose at Stratford which I find disappointing. If push came to shove you could go to Waitrose at Holloway Road - Overground to Highbury and 43/271/393 bus up the road. There is also a decent M&S at Ilford which is a train or bus ride from Stratford. OK it's not Oxford St but it's not bad for food. Stratford is better clothes wise but who needs to buy clothes so urgently that they're deprived if a shop is closed for 7 hours? I know both South Woodford and Ilford but from Homerton both involve travel via Stratford. I was planning on walking the c.3 miles to Westfield on Friday morning to avoid travel congestion and then take the Overgound back: early in the day the Westbound services have been fine. How do you know it wasn't part of the plans all along? You're guessing. Umm - ISTR that I very deliberately did not assume it wasn't part of the plans all along. And looking back I see I wrote "In other words they are either liars or continuing the practice perciewved [sic] from TfL and LOCOG for a long time now: tell the locals as little as possible as late as possible so they don't have time to complain ('cos we'll ignore their complaints in any event so we can only win)." Please note "either ... or....". That said, I do admire the way you translate "tell the locals as little as possible as late as possible " into "the "best" way to handle the communication issue": you are a press officer AICMFP :) -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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In message , at 19:46:32 on Sun, 5 Aug 2012,
Robin remarked: 1. The nearest other Waitrose is Canary Wharf which is a bit of a bloody pain to get to compared with Westfield for a lot of us locals. For a decent size M&S it's Oxford Street: Would it kill you to shop at Tesco for a day or two? -- Roland Perry |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
When was Westfield closed? I was there on Sunday and two weeks ago, and I had not noticed any closures. Indeed, I saw very little delay in even getting across the bridge to get to either Westfield of to the Olympic park. It was not closed. It was open only to Olympics visitors on Friday and Saturday 3/4 Aug. And despite all the anti-TfL ranting in this thread, this was not in any way caused by TfL. I was there on Saturday lunchtime and it appeared anyone could enter freely. Seems to have been an attempt by TfL to scare people away rather than a genuine closure. Peter Smyth |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
Peter Smyth wrote on 05 August 2012 22:16:26 ...
"Richard J." wrote in message ... When was Westfield closed? I was there on Sunday and two weeks ago, and I had not noticed any closures. Indeed, I saw very little delay in even getting across the bridge to get to either Westfield of to the Olympic park. It was not closed. It was open only to Olympics visitors on Friday and Saturday 3/4 Aug. And despite all the anti-TfL ranting in this thread, this was not in any way caused by TfL. I was there on Saturday lunchtime and it appeared anyone could enter freely. Seems to have been an attempt by TfL to scare people away rather than a genuine closure. Oh, for heaven's sake! TfL do not run Westfield Stratford City. The restricted opening was decided upon by LOCOG and Westfield, and announced on both their websites. The press and TfL relayed the message. If the restrictions were relaxed by lunchtime, I guess that was done after reviewing traffic levels, as has also happened tactically with Games Lanes. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
Would it kill you to shop at Tesco for a day or two? No. But then I did mention I wanted something special. I also know full well that the Tesco stores within easy reach of here during the games cannot be relied upon to have the full range of Finest food. It also would not have killed the Games organisers to tell us about road closures earlier than 2 weeks before the games. It would also not have killed them to have avoided lying about the arrangements for parking permits (eg arguing repeatedly that it was impossible lawfully to buy a car without getting a V5C, and that DVLA would process a change of ownership within 5 days). I don't expect perfection but I can assure you I am not the only person living near the site who is fed up with their "never apologise, never explain" approach. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
On 2012\08\05 23:18, Paul Corfield wrote:
I am not a press officer or anything else at the moment. Sorry to hear that, Paul, I hope something turns up. |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
"Robin" wrote:
No. But then I did mention I wanted something special. I also know full well that the Tesco stores within easy reach of here during the games cannot be relied upon to have the full range of Finest food. What's the phrase - "first world problem"? ;) Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply. |
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London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
"Robin" wrote in message ...
Would it kill you to shop at Tesco for a day or two? No. But then I did mention I wanted something special. I also know full well that the Tesco stores within easy reach of here during the games cannot be relied upon to have the full range of Finest food. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You mean that you can tell the difference. You must be the only one :-) tim |
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In message , at 23:01:24 on Sun, 5 Aug 2012,
Robin remarked: It also would not have killed the Games organisers to tell us about road closures earlier than 2 weeks before the games. I thought all the arrangements for road closures had been trailed for months. -- Roland Perry |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
martin_petrov wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote: So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance? I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must No, I've used it here before. Google. be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? Zero impact? Yeah , right. If you think closing the main tube line to the olympics has zero impact then why not shut it completely and save some money? Moron. B2003 |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
I am not a press officer or anything else at the moment.
I am sorry if my foot trod on any corns on its way into my mouth. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
I thought all the arrangements for road closures had been trailed for
months. If only. We had a letter on 8 July about a nearby "vehicle permit checkpoint". I emailed ' on 14 July as it was not clear if its references to residents covered us and if so if our temporary Olympic parking permits sufficed. I had a reply on 19 July telling us that access was for taxis, PHVs and games vehicles only (plus I think the residents on the travellers site on Hackney Marshes). So we had in effect less than a week's notice of the closure. I suspect it was a very late decision because the letter said we could find out more at getaheadofthegames.com but the control point wasn't even shown on the map there until I pointed out its omission. The closure (to the public) was probably the only practicable thing to do following the re-phasing of the traffic lights at the Lea Interchange. But the communication was about as opaque as they could make it; and there was of course no hint of an apology for the late notice, any inconvenience caused etc. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On 2012\08\06 10:14, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:55:50 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 2012\08\05 23:18, Paul Corfield wrote: I am not a press officer or anything else at the moment. Sorry to hear that, Paul, I hope something turns up. No need to feel sorry - it was my own decision. I'm still sorry that a job you once loved that much turned that sour. |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:14:20 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:55:50 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 2012\08\05 23:18, Paul Corfield wrote: I am not a press officer or anything else at the moment. Sorry to hear that, Paul, I hope something turns up. No need to feel sorry - it was my own decision. Excellent. We now have our very on dole scrounger on the group who can give us reports from the frontline, watching jeremy kyle on his sofa. B2003 |
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London Blunderground triumphs during the Olympics
On 2012-08-06, Mizter T wrote:
On 06/08/2012 10:31, d wrote: totally unnecessary rudeness from boltar snipped Why do you revel in being such an epic ****? He's always been like that, though this one represents a new extreme. I think we should all conspire to ignore him. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:53:07 +0100
Mizter T wrote: Excellent. We now have our very on dole scrounger on the group who can give us reports from the frontline, watching jeremy kyle on his sofa. Why do you revel in being such an epic ****? Just trying to live down to your example. B2003 |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:29:20 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: On 2012\08\06 10:31, d wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:14:20 +0100 Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:55:50 +0100, Basil Jet wrote: On 2012\08\05 23:18, Paul Corfield wrote: I am not a press officer or anything else at the moment. Sorry to hear that, Paul, I hope something turns up. No need to feel sorry - it was my own decision. Excellent. We now have our very on dole scrounger on the group who can give us reports from the frontline, watching jeremy kyle on his sofa. You're supposed to see Stewie Griffin as a figure of fun, not a role model. Who? Anyway, IIRC you can't get dole after quitting a job, and can't get any benefits for six months. I wouldn't know. I haven't been unemployed since I was a teenager. I certainly wouldn't be ****ing dumb enough to make myself voluntarily unemployed no matter how much I hated my job. B2003 |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:31:40 +0100
Eric wrote: On 2012-08-06, Mizter T wrote: On 06/08/2012 10:31, d wrote: totally unnecessary rudeness from boltar snipped Why do you revel in being such an epic ****? He's always been like that, though this one represents a new extreme. I think we should all conspire to ignore him. Aww , have I upset da delicate ickle flowers on da gwoop? Diddums. B2003 |
What an elaborate decoy! No attempt to answer my question about the
distance people had to walk from West Ham Station. No attempt to quantify the problems which caused TfL to recommend that people should abandon any attempt to travel by Jubilee or Central Line. Instead we get a fraudulent suggestion that "people keep bringing up" the closing of Westfield. I'm not aware of anyone citing it apart from myself. Then we have a pointless counter question. This is followed by an irrelevant Tfl apologia: that they had already planned to use the West Ham/Greenway escape route. So what? people who wanted to travel by Jubilee or Central Line had by default chosen not to go via West Ham, and being suddenly obliged to use a different route involving walking quite some way does not constitute zero impact. And if TfL knew in advance that Stratford Station would not be able cope, why had they not done something about it when rebuilding the station during the preceding years? Finally we have a completely irrelevant paragraph about buses at Stratford Station even though TfL had not recommended that people travel by bus as an alternative to the Jubilee or Central Line. |
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:04:59 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 12:14:19 +0000 (UTC) martin_petrov wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 08:37:41 +0000, boltar2003 wrote: So the eastern end of the central line has been shut down twice now during the Olympics for the usual pathetic excuses. Can Blunderground go for the hat-trick and win Olympic gold in the synchronised team incompetance? I guess you've been saving "London Blunderground" up for this - you must No, I've used it here before. Google. Well done you! be gutted that all you've got is a couple of minor incidents that really had zero impact on people getting to the games? Zero impact? Yeah , right. If you think closing the main tube line to the olympics has zero impact then why not shut it completely and save some money? Moron. Not the "main tube line", merely one of MANY lines. Jubilee, National Rail from Liverpool St, North London Line, Lea Valley Line, Javelin, and a couple of DLR lines, with back up support from District, H&C and C2C. They could have closed 3 lines and it probably wouldn't have caused any great problem because THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE. A couple of hours between 7 and 9 on Friday morning without the Central Line will have prevented nobody from getting to the games on time. Like I say, you must be GUTTED that the whole thing has been such a massive success. And it's refreshing that you're still here acting the prick when most cynics ahead of time are admitting they were completely wide of the mark. (I'm sure you still believe you're right too, but of course you're the one that's right, and everybody else is wrong) |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:45:46 +0000 (UTC)
martin_petrov wrote: No, I've used it here before. Google. Well done you! Not so you for not even being able to use it. Zero impact? Yeah , right. If you think closing the main tube line to the olympics has zero impact then why not shut it completely and save some money? Moron. Not the "main tube line", merely one of MANY lines. Jubilee, National No, the central line is the main tube line from central london. a couple of DLR lines, with back up support from District, H&C and C2C. They could have closed 3 lines and it probably wouldn't have caused any great problem because THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE. A couple of hours between 7 and 9 on Friday morning without the Central Line will have prevented nobody from getting to the games on time. Ooooo, they THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE did they? So what magic have they weaved that means 3 closed lines would make no difference to the throughput of passengers to stratford? Do tell because if they could use the same magic during a normal rush hour it would solve all their problems! Central line, jubilee line, district line goes down - no problem! Just ask Meistro Petrov and he'll tell you how to get the same number of people around london with 3 lines out of action. Tell me, do you really believe the bull**** you write or do you work for TfLs marketing dept? Like I say, you must be GUTTED that the whole thing has been such a massive success. And it's refreshing that you're still here acting the prick when most cynics ahead of time are admitting they were completely wide of the mark. (I'm sure you still believe you're right too, but of course you're the one that's right, and everybody else is wrong) I don't really give a toss whether its been a success or not. Its still cost 10 billion quid for a 2 weeks sports meet either way. Oh yeah, thats worth every penny isn't it. I mean if Paris had won there's no chance of there being the same wall to wall coverage on TV with the same number of gold medals won by Team GB is there ... oh wait.... B2003 |
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:59:09 +0100
Robin9 wrote: Instead we get a fraudulent suggestion that "people keep bringing up" the closing of Westfield. I'm not aware of anyone citing it apart from myself. Then we have a pointless counter question. This is followed by an irrelevant Tfl apologia: that they had already planned to use the West Ham/Greenway escape route. So what? people who wanted to travel by Jubilee or Central Unfortunately the people who work (or worked) at TfL assume the rest of the public is a dumb as them and so the sort of moronic arse covering response you received will suffice. B2003 |
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"Robin" wrote:
And despite all the anti-TfL ranting in this thread, this was not in any way caused by TfL. Who then please was responsible for the decision and for it being communicated so late? I find the frequent claim of lateness of notice odd. I knew for at least the week before that it was going to be closed, and I know that it was publicised before that. Tim (tm) |
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I find the frequent claim of lateness of notice odd. I knew for at
least the week before that it was going to be closed, and I know that it was publicised before that. Where did you learn so soon of the closure please? I ask as various reports in the mainstream press I saw referred to 24 hours' notice; retailers in Westfield were also quoted in trade journals as saying they had found out only on Thursday 2 August; and John Lewis didn't warn me I'd not be able to collect from them that weekend when I bought online at the start of the week for collection in the Westfield store. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:40:01 +0100, "Robin" wrote:
I find the frequent claim of lateness of notice odd. I knew for at least the week before that it was going to be closed, and I know that it was publicised before that. Where did you learn so soon of the closure please? I ask as various reports in the mainstream press I saw referred to 24 hours' notice; retailers in Westfield were also quoted in trade journals as saying they had found out only on Thursday 2 August; and John Lewis didn't warn me I'd not be able to collect from them that weekend when I bought online at the start of the week for collection in the Westfield store. Just as an aside, why didn't you get Waitrose or Ocado to deliver? |
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