"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:23:31
on Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:

Miscreant car is now caught in "V" thus formed.

On the principle of "two wrongs don't make a right", the bus is now
causing an obstruction.

You think so? Saw it happen a few years ago in Southampton.

Police came along to investigate holdup.

Put ticket on offending car (which did not have a driver in it).

Bus driver then looked at watch, "Time to go, then" exchanged cordial
pleasantries with police person, and left.

And many years previously, corner of Jesus Lane and Bridge Street .... car
parked illegally in bus "nose space" for the turn. Obliging passing
policeman assisted EVERY bus make that turn - and did not worry too much
about heavy black rubber / black fibreglass from bus nearside front wing
(yes, that long ago) rubbing and scraping along car body. And he put a
ticket on the car for good measure. My bus negotiated that corner twice,
that Sunday morning, on a 185. "Come on, (scrape) come on, (scrape) we've
had six buses (scrape) through here already...."

Lesson: don't mess with bus drivers. (One car driver tried to mess with me
at Park Street, Shirley.... he ended up inside for nine months, not for
actually messing with me, but my report placed him fairly and squarely where
he had committed some other crime....but that's another story!)

--
PR

On 27/11/2012 12:39, Portsmouth Rider wrote:
Lesson: don't mess with bus drivers. (One car driver tried to mess with me
at Park Street, Shirley.... he ended up inside for nine months, not for
actually messing with me, but my report placed him fairly and squarely where
he had committed some other crime....but that's another story!)


Now that was stupid of him…

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In message , at
12:39:13 on Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:
Miscreant car is now caught in "V" thus formed.

On the principle of "two wrongs don't make a right", the bus is now
causing an obstruction.

You think so? Saw it happen a few years ago in Southampton.

Police came along to investigate holdup.

Put ticket on offending car (which did not have a driver in it).

That's a car which is parked, rather than stopped. You really need to
get a grip and attempt to understand the difference.

--
Roland Perry

On 27/11/2012 10:21, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at
17:34:18 on Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Portsmouth Rider
remarked:

at Nottingham they don't use the forecourt (the entrances and
exits are a bit tight, as well as being full of cars and taxis all the
time). They wait in the overflow taxi-rank down the side of the station.
Which is an ordinary public road.

If so its owners have the right to waive or change the restrictions if
they wish.

They can't waive no-waiting zones on public roads.

No, but the Local Authority can. Especially if the rail people ask
them to, for a good reason.

Doesn't that involve posting signage to cancel out the "No stopping
except Taxis"? That bit of road is currently undergoing remodelling, and
so there are understandable long term changes to the arrangements - I
doubt the LA will pass a temporary TRO for one Sunday afternoon.

Common sense is applied.

In message , at 14:30:10 on Tue, 27 Nov
2012, Mizter T remarked:
at Nottingham they don't use the forecourt (the entrances and
exits are a bit tight, as well as being full of cars and taxis all the
time). They wait in the overflow taxi-rank down the side of the station.
Which is an ordinary public road.

If so its owners have the right to waive or change the restrictions if
they wish.

They can't waive no-waiting zones on public roads.

No, but the Local Authority can. Especially if the rail people ask
them to, for a good reason.

Doesn't that involve posting signage to cancel out the "No stopping
except Taxis"? That bit of road is currently undergoing remodelling, and
so there are understandable long term changes to the arrangements - I
doubt the LA will pass a temporary TRO for one Sunday afternoon.

Common sense is applied.

Precisely. But others insist that common sense is incompatible with the
Highway Code, and not obeying the Highway Code is not just a "bad thing"
but may invalidate your insurance.

I'm with the common sense approach.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:02:50 on
Tue, 27 Nov 2012, remarked:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:18:09 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 01:10:57 on
Tue, 27 Nov 2012, remarked:

Read the Highway Code.

...

all the people who arrive in cars who use this post box
http://goo.gl/maps/jYOhd

Those cars, and the buses, are also infringing the "32ft from a
junction" rule. And no, the bus stop is not marked as a parking place.

True, but as a Do Not it is an advisory rule rather than a Must not.
The roads are hardly busy and the only thing to park there for long is
to get some free range eggs.

Sure, and yet I'm being hounded for suggesting stopping at a deserted
bus stop late in the evening to let someone off a rail replacement bus.

And I was really highlighting that a lot of things we do can be
sensible in some circumstances and not in others.

Then we are in fierce agreement!

And your stopping in a bus stop to drop somebody off especially if
they intend getting a bus from there providing it's not actually
obstructing the bus operation is hardly the crime of the
century,Parking there while nipping into a nearby shop would be
different.

All agreed.

To balance that expecting bus drivers to do a special stop
when they are operating in a rail replacement is a bit much.

But not because the bus will be blocking the bus stop. So we can dismiss
(aka debunk) that particular reason, and concentrate on the remainder.
(Which should cut down the noise here considerably).

Other passengers can be sods and I wouldn't want to risk upsetting
someone who may be jealous of the favour granted to you

That's why it shouldn't be a "favour", but part of the normal operation
of the bus. And would also serve to inform passengers about where could
expect to be dropped off (eg: Certain named stops already on the bus's
route).

Common Sense in this situation applies to persuading the Traffic
Commissioners that stopping at one of "their" bus stops isn't in
competition with stage buses, and persuading the insurance company that
it isn't especially unsafe to get off a bus at a bus stop. And of course
creating the right expectations in the passengers about it not being a
"non-stop" bus and they are both able to, and should be tolerant of,
getting off en-route at designated places.
--
Roland Perry