Just noticed this on the TfL website

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d/consult_view

Reason given is that very few (approx 1%) of bus journeys involve a cash fare.

Have to say that my experience of these machines is that they cause confusion for tourists, and often delays as the driver waits for someone to get off the bus, fiddle around and buy a ticket, and then get back on.

Most regular travellers will have a travelcard or Oyster PAYG, as will some visitors, but there will always be a need for some people to pay by cash.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Paul wrote:
Just noticed this on the TfL website

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d/consult_view

Reason given is that very few (approx 1%) of bus journeys involve a cash fare.

Very few people pay by cash because the *******s at TfL racked up the cash
fare to a ridiculous amount compared to paying by Oyster precisely to
discourage people paying that way. Now they have the gall to say , oh , not
many people want to pay by cash so we'll get rid of that service! Talk about
self serving bull****.

B2003

On Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:05:42 PM UTC+1, Paul wrote:
Just noticed this on the TfL website https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d/consult_view Reason given is that very few (approx 1%) of bus journeys involve a cash fare. Have to say that my experience of these machines is that they cause confusion for tourists, and often delays as the driver waits for someone to get off the bus, fiddle around and buy a ticket, and then get back on. Most regular travellers will have a travelcard or Oyster PAYG, as will some visitors, but there will always be a need for some people to pay by cash.

The link I have posted explicitly states that people will be able to continue paying by cash.

On 13/09/2012 12:13, d wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Paul wrote:
Just noticed this on the TfL website

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d/consult_view

Reason given is that very few (approx 1%) of bus journeys involve a cash fare.

Very few people pay by cash because the *******s at TfL racked up the cash
fare to a ridiculous amount compared to paying by Oyster precisely to
discourage people paying that way. Now they have the gall to say , oh , not
many people want to pay by cash so we'll get rid of that service! Talk about
self serving bull****.

Wow - such vitriole over a policy that was developed to speed up
services in London for those of us who live there! It's not like having
an Oyster card is that much of a hardship, and nor is it like the credit
on it expires if unused.

And before you bring in tourists and occasional travellers, I'm fairly
sure up to date guide books have some decent information about Oyster
and the ability to pay cash fares, at a justifiable premium for the
delay they cause other passengers (80 people on a double decker delayed
for 15 seconds each by someone fumbling for their change is a cumulative
20 minutes waste of time for which they are being charged 95p, or
considerably less than 50% of minimum wage), is going to continue to exist.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:02 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
Wow - such vitriole over a policy that was developed to speed up
services in London for those of us who live there! It's not like having

I live there.

an Oyster card is that much of a hardship, and nor is it like the credit
on it expires if unused.

And if you forget it or lose it why should you pay more for the same service?

and the ability to pay cash fares, at a justifiable premium for the
delay they cause other passengers (80 people on a double decker delayed
for 15 seconds each by someone fumbling for their change is a cumulative
20 minutes waste of time for which they are being charged 95p, or
considerably less than 50% of minimum wage), is going to continue to exist.

The only reason there is a delay paying is because of one person operated
buses. Another genius cost cutting idea by TfLs predecessor. No one would
think a train driver collecting fares is a good idea but for some reason
the idea a bus driver should do it passes unremarked.

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

B2003

wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

No one would
think a train driver collecting fares is a good idea but for some reason
the idea a bus driver should do it passes unremarked.


In this country you're probably right. In others, however, I've seen quite
a few trains where the driver collects the fare.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:51:33 +0100
"Graham Harrison" wrote:
No one would
think a train driver collecting fares is a good idea but for some reason
the idea a bus driver should do it passes unremarked.


In this country you're probably right. In others, however, I've seen quite
a few trains where the driver collects the fare.

Which country is this? I've travelled a bit and I've seen tram drivers
collect fairs but never a train driver.

B2003

wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:51:33 +0100
"Graham Harrison" wrote:
No one would
think a train driver collecting fares is a good idea but for some reason
the idea a bus driver should do it passes unremarked.


In this country you're probably right. In others, however, I've seen
quite
a few trains where the driver collects the fare.

Which country is this? I've travelled a bit and I've seen tram drivers
collect fairs but never a train driver.

B2003


Most recently, Japan.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:57:28 +0100
"Graham Harrison" wrote:
a few trains where the driver collects the fare.

Which country is this? I've travelled a bit and I've seen tram drivers
collect fairs but never a train driver.

B2003


Most recently, Japan.

Does he walk down the train or do you just board through the front door?
I presume this is some local service and not the bullet train!

B2003