In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message , Paul
Corfield writes
Colin has beaten me to it but reinstating the centre rail would simply
cause congestion and make it very awkward for people with shopping or
buggies or who value not being herded like sheep.
Hang on, when I was bus driving, buggies and push chairs were already
folded or you didn't get on, why is the system now laxer to the
detriment of everyone?

That was the dark ages. They stopped punishing parents of children too young
to walk! They needed two hands to fold the buggy and their third hand to
hold the child. Doh!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 21:14:31 on
Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Graham Harrison
remarked:
The first question Tesco ask you is "Have you brought your own bag",
at which point you can put it on the bagging area and it
re-calibrates the weighing scales.
Not in my neck of the woods. It says have you brought your own
bags, press yes, put them in the bagging area and it immediately says
unknown item in bagging area.

I went to Sainsbury later, and they ask the same question as Tesco.
Very first screen, and this time because I only had one of my own
bags the system accepted it.

How do you know it was because you only had one bag?

Perhaps I should try two bags at Sainsbury, but the Tesco scales accept
that one bag, so it's a bit of a co-incidence.

Apart from being physically different in the packing area, the two
systems are otherwise the same (clearly from the same supplier).
--
Roland Perry

Clive wrote:

Hang on, when I was bus driving, buggies and push chairs were already
folded or you didn't get on, why is the system now laxer to the detriment of everyone?

Because there is a space to put the buggies and pushchairs without folding
them, provided there is no wheelchair on board and the bus company isn't
being pig headed about it.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

In message ,
writes
Hang on, when I was bus driving, buggies and push chairs were already
folded or you didn't get on, why is the system now laxer to the
detriment of everyone?
That was the dark ages. They stopped punishing parents of children too young
to walk! They needed two hands to fold the buggy and their third hand to
hold the child. Doh!
There is no "Doh" about it, it's just common sense that a woman with a
child or two in tow is much faster loading with a folded buggy than one
which she feels protective of because is carries her most wanted
cargo,(a baby).
--
Clive

In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message ,
writes
Hang on, when I was bus driving, buggies and push chairs were already
folded or you didn't get on, why is the system now laxer to the
detriment of everyone?
That was the dark ages. They stopped punishing parents of children too
young to walk! They needed two hands to fold the buggy and their third
hand to hold the child. Doh!
There is no "Doh" about it, it's just common sense that a woman with
a child or two in tow is much faster loading with a folded buggy than
one which she feels protective of because is carries her most wanted
cargo,(a baby).

You just don't get it, do you? There is no way a parent on their own can
fold a buggy for a not-yet-walking child and get onto a bus. They need too
many hands.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2012-09-20, wrote:
In article ,
(Clive) wrote:

In message ,
writes
Hang on, when I was bus driving, buggies and push chairs were already
folded or you didn't get on, why is the system now laxer to the
detriment of everyone?
That was the dark ages. They stopped punishing parents of children too
young to walk! They needed two hands to fold the buggy and their third
hand to hold the child. Doh!
There is no "Doh" about it, it's just common sense that a woman with
a child or two in tow is much faster loading with a folded buggy than
one which she feels protective of because is carries her most wanted
cargo,(a baby).

You just don't get it, do you? There is no way a parent on their own can
fold a buggy for a not-yet-walking child and get onto a bus. They need too
many hands.

The problem here is usually the buggy. What we used to do is move child
to parent's left arm, kick the right place between the back wheels while
holding one handle with right hand, bend knees and grab the bit below
the handle and the bit above a front wheel, stand up again. Thus we had
a child on one arm and a folded "buggy" in the other hand, ready to get
on. Did it lots, got very good at doing it quickly.

Of course this wasn't a buggy, but what we called a stroller and you
would probably call a push-chair. The problem here is the buggies with
their big wheels and heavy framework that seem to be designed and used
as general cargo carriers, with a space for the baby that often seems
somewhat secondary. We never lived in a place where you could hang a
full-sized pram on hooks on the front of the bus, but it was common
enough. Of course you needed help for that, but there were conductors
then.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

We never lived in a place where you could hang a
full-sized pram on hooks on the front of the bus, but it was common
enough. Of course you needed help for that, but there were conductors
then.


They were still doing that on the heritage tram in Christchurch NZ a couple
of years ago.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:17:16 -0500,
wrote:

In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

When did I say anything about leaving [pram] on the pavement? My assumption
would be that they would board at the centre door, stow it, wait for the
doors to close and then move forward in the bus to pay the driver. Or if
they have Oyster, have a reader there so no need. [...]

Right. The buses round here don't have centre doors. And many parents would[n't]
leave a child out of their sight, even in the middle of a bus.

Extraordinary how so much of the civilised world thinks that one door
is enough on a bus. At least London does it the right way (after a
dodgy few years in the 90s) and Dublin has seen the error of its ways.

In Barcelona (as London, proper number of doors, wheelchair ramp at
the centre door), there is no pole to split entry but there is a
validator on each side of the aisle behind the driver and this seems
enough to tempt people into the inside of the bus while the relatively
small proportion of passengers pay cash at the front. Validation
failures are rare but are dealt with quickly -- in my case by getting
a free ride!

In London, with such a small percentage paying cash, the mechanics of
the payment are IMO almost unimportant so why not do what is about to
happen -- payment possible on the bus, with change given. Much more
passenger-friendly.

Richard.

"Richard" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:17:16 -0500,
wrote:

In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

When did I say anything about leaving [pram] on the pavement? My
assumption
would be that they would board at the centre door, stow it, wait for the
doors to close and then move forward in the bus to pay the driver. Or if
they have Oyster, have a reader there so no need. [...]

Right. The buses round here don't have centre doors. And many parents
would[n't]
leave a child out of their sight, even in the middle of a bus.

Extraordinary how so much of the civilised world thinks that one door
is enough on a bus.

Do they?

Most of the foreign countries that I visit use some form of self validating
ticket and town buses have multiple doors (sometimes designated as entry or
exit only)

Out of town buses might not, but then they don't in the UK either

tim

In message ,
writes
You just don't get it, do you? There is no way a parent on their own can
fold a buggy for a not-yet-walking child and get onto a bus. They need too
many hands.
It was normal in the 60s, why do women need more hands now?
--
Clive