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On 05/10/2012 09:36, d wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:58:29 +0100
Clive wrote:
In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".

Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
--
Phil Cook

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In message , at 09:23:46 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:

No, the Asian women in Hayes are not on social networks. The ones I'm
helping are elsewhere and not always computer experts (why would they
be?) but helping them does give an insight into the domestic violence
situation, and how many women are mistreated. And that includes these
ladies in Hayes.

So english woman who are savvy with social networks yet are under house
arrest by their husbands and don't know how to get help and apparently can't
use a phone? You're making this up as you go along.

Your comprehension skills are letting you down. But I'm tiring of trying
to explain it to you, because you don't care anyway.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

B2003

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In message , at 11:03:18 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:
Sorry, but I don't think he is.
And there has been many Asians who have been kill in so-called honour
killing because they have brought 'Shame on the family' just watch the
news for a few weeks.

He said they werent asian.

No, I said the people I'm mainly dealing with, who have the social
networking issues, aren't the Asians in arranged marriages (from Hayes,
or elsewhere). But I get to hear about the latter, despite not being my
primary target audience.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:37:15 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
No, I said the people I'm mainly dealing with, who have the social
networking issues, aren't the Asians in arranged marriages (from Hayes,

So who are the people you're mainly dealing with then?

B2003

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In message , Phil Cook
writes
On 05/10/2012 09:36, d wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:58:29 +0100
Clive wrote:
In message , Charles Ellson
writes
So far, neither of the two latest seem to be confirmed suicides rather
than accident or misadventure.
On the back of a lot of our K2 Speed Notices it used to say, "Accidents
don't happen, they are caused".
Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.
--
Clive

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On 05/10/2012 13:36, d wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Sounds like something that was written by a personal injury parasite, sorry,
solicitor.

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.
--
Phil Cook

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In message , at 12:58:09 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:
No, I said the people I'm mainly dealing with, who have the social
networking issues, aren't the Asians in arranged marriages (from Hayes,

So who are the people you're mainly dealing with then?

Victims of stalking, where one of the largest categories is an
escalation of a domestic violence situation, and where most cases now
involve an online element.

No particular ethnic group or geography, but it has recently emerged
that it's skewed towards those whose ex-partners are long term
unemployed (I suppose they also have the time to do it).
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 14:06:30 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, Phil Cook remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.
--
Roland Perry

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Boltar wrote in message ...

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:56:55 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:

Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.

Of course they can just happen. A high speed blowout for example can happen
for any number of reasons completely out of control of the driver - a tyre
manufacturing fault, some debris blown onto the road, a recent pothole.
Anyone who thinks there's always someone to blame is either a legal
parasite or living on another planet.

The statements are entirely compatible - the accident caused by the blowout
may not be under the control of the driver, but the tyre manufacturing fault
is caused by the manufacturer, the debris is down to whoever left it where
it could be blown on to the road, and the pothole is down to poor planning
of maintenance by the highway authority. But these may not have legal
liability, if the foreseeability of the accident was too remote, or the
manufacturing/inspection regime was deemed satisfactory.

Peter.

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:06:30 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Every effect has a cause, it doesn't mean that cause is someones fault.

Accidents don't just happen.

Yes, they do. Thats why we have the word "accident". You're delusional.

B2003

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?

Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.

B2003

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:13:35 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:06:30 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, Phil Cook remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.

Go on, explain how you'd do it. Are you going to inspect your tyres yourself
with an x-ray scanner? Perhaps you'll never drive when its windy so there's
no chance of say a tree branch blowing down on your car. And if you can see
a pothole on an A road doing 60 at night with enough time to swerve and not
crash then you've got better eyesight than I have.

B2003

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Boltar wrote
long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to
blame?

See, for example
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...f_Cruachan.pdf

In the general case, Network Rail didn't inspect the embankment or maintain
the drainage properly. There are cases where the cause was down to an
adjoining landowner, and there have been recommendations that planning rules
should be changed so that Network Rail is notified (and can object to)
engineering operations near the railway which might affect drainage.

Peter

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:30:57 +0100
"Peter Masson" wrote:
Boltar wrote
long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to
blame?

See, for example
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...ls_of_Cruachan
pdf

In the general case, Network Rail didn't inspect the embankment or maintain
the drainage properly. There are cases where the cause was down to an

Looks to me like we've got to blame someone so make it the obvious target so
we can get some compensation.

It amazes me that those in the legal profession who are so sure that someone or
thing is always to blame and ergo by inference than something could have been
done to prevent it, don't put themselvesself forward as the people who can
prevent all these non-accidents happening. After all, if they're forseeable
as is claimed then surely being the geniuses they like to think they are,
they'd be able to forsee them and prevent them and earn a fortune in the
process?

B2003

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On 05/10/2012 14:19, d wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.

So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?

Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.

Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.
--
Phil Cook

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In message , d
writes
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:06:28 +0100
Clive wrote:
Oh dear, have we all become so jaded by the ambulance chasers? The
sentiment behind the statement is that accidents happen because people
take their eye off the ball. Accidents don't just happen, they are
caused by lack of attention and or poor planning.
Correct, remember that I'm quoting from the back of K2 Speed Notices, (I
presume they still exist but most likely under a different name) which
were issued to footplate staff weekly, in the 60s and 70s, not the
public at large and long before ambulance chasers came on the scene.
So if heavy rain causes an embankment to collapse onto the track just as
a train is coming around the corner which then derails then who is to blame?
Always finding someone to blame is a childs way of looking at the world, not
an adults.
You've either not read, or more likely, not understood my quote. No
one mentioned blame and in the case you sight of a landslip, there was a
cause, even if it was only heavy rain.
--
Clive

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:58:37 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.

And the person who thinks there's always some sort of hidden human cause
behind everything is usually known as a conspiracy theories at best but
generally just a delusional nutter.

Perhaps you should invest in a tin foil hat?

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

B2003

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In message , at 14:05:45 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

Tsunamis aren't anyone's fault, but failing to have an adequate warning
system, or coastal properties built to withstand the inevitable, is.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , d
writes
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:58:37 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.
And the person who thinks there's always some sort of hidden human cause
behind everything is usually known as a conspiracy theories at best but
generally just a delusional nutter.
Perhaps you should invest in a tin foil hat?
Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?
I started this branch of the thread with a quote, I don't remember
mentioning the word 'human' at all. Where did you dream it up from?
--
Clive

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On 05/10/2012 15:05, d wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:58:37 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
Wanting to find a reason for an accident is a result of an inquiring
mind and a desire to prevent further occurrences, it's not about
apportioning blame and suing somebody's arse off. "It just happened" is
the position of a fatalist who just accepts whatever happens.

And the person who thinks there's always some sort of hidden human cause
behind everything is usually known as a conspiracy theories at best but
generally just a delusional nutter.

Perhaps you should invest in a tin foil hat?

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

After the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami it was determined that many lives
could have been saved had there been an effective warning system in
place, the earthquake that caused it was of course recorded and there
would have been time to issue warnings before the wave hit the shore.

The Japanese tsunami was caused by an earthquake much closer to shore
and the warning was only in the region of 30-35 minutes before the wave
for the closest coastal regions. The height of the wave was also
under-predicted, indeed it was so high it over-topped the defences that
were in place particularly at the Fukushima nuclear power plant where
the diesel generators that provided backup power for the cooling systems
were inundated despite the tsunami protection in place.
--
Phil Cook

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:16:48 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:05:45 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

Tsunamis aren't anyone's fault, but failing to have an adequate warning
system, or coastal properties built to withstand the inevitable, is.

Oh right, so how exactly do you build a seafront hotel or a fishermans hut to
withstand a 20 foot wall of water moving at 30mph?

B2003

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:41:07 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
After the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami it was determined that many lives
could have been saved had there been an effective warning system in
place, the earthquake that caused it was of course recorded and there
would have been time to issue warnings before the wave hit the shore.

Yes, probably many lives could also have been saved if there'd been a warp
drive equiped space ship hovering in orbit above with teleporters on standby
too.

B2003

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On 05/10/2012 15:49, d wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:41:07 +0100
Phil Cook wrote:
After the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami it was determined that many lives
could have been saved had there been an effective warning system in
place, the earthquake that caused it was of course recorded and there
would have been time to issue warnings before the wave hit the shore.

Yes, probably many lives could also have been saved if there'd been a warp
drive equiped space ship hovering in orbit above with teleporters on standby
too.

There is now a warning system in place, though it requires further
action by governments to make it as effective as the system in the Pacific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_...Warning_System

We will have to wait for your flights of fancy and since they are a
fiction we could be waiting some time.
--
Phil Cook

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:16:48 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:05:45 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:

Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

Tsunamis aren't anyone's fault, but failing to have an adequate warning
system, or coastal properties built to withstand the inevitable, is.

Oh right, so how exactly do you build a seafront hotel or a fishermans hut to
withstand a 20 foot wall of water moving at 30mph?

If it is a likely event then you don't build them in the expectation
of surviving the event. OTOH different rules apply to nuclear power
stations.

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In message , Charles Ellson
writes
If it is a likely event then you don't build them in the expectation
of surviving the event. OTOH different rules apply to nuclear power
stations.
Wasn't the main failure identified years before when the French had a
nasty incident, caused by the cooling pumps being on the ground floor
and overrun with water. Swiftly corrected by putting the pumps of all
their nuclear sites on the top floor. If the Japanese had learnt from
this, then the outcome might have been very different.
--
Clive

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On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:43:58 +0100, Clive
wrote:

In message , Charles Ellson
writes
If it is a likely event then you don't build them in the expectation
of surviving the event. OTOH different rules apply to nuclear power
stations.
Wasn't the main failure identified years before when the French had a
nasty incident, caused by the cooling pumps being on the ground floor
and overrun with water. Swiftly corrected by putting the pumps of all
their nuclear sites on the top floor. If the Japanese had learnt from
this, then the outcome might have been very different.

Even then I suspect the proximity of the site to the sea might still
invite less direct hazards that would not be available 50yds uphill on
solid ground such as that involving floodwater creeping up on a
main/large substation in England this/last year.

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In message , at 13:29:45 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:
Tyre manufacturing fault. Faults don't just happen. Caused.
Debris blown on the road. Debris left lying about. Caused.
Recent pothole. It would have to be pretty big to cause a blowout, so
unreported, unseen or uninspected. Caused.

Accidents don't just happen.

And obviously, for a driver to fail to neutralise all those risks, makes
him stupid. It would take Boltar only a few minutes of his valuable
time.

Go on, explain how you'd do it. Are you going to inspect your tyres yourself
with an x-ray scanner? Perhaps you'll never drive when its windy so there's
no chance of say a tree branch blowing down on your car. And if you can see
a pothole on an A road doing 60 at night with enough time to swerve and not
crash then you've got better eyesight than I have.

Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 14:48:24 on Fri, 5 Oct
2012, d remarked:
Just out of interest - who's fault was the 2004 tsunami?

Tsunamis aren't anyone's fault, but failing to have an adequate warning
system, or coastal properties built to withstand the inevitable, is.

Oh right, so how exactly do you build a seafront hotel or a fishermans hut to
withstand a 20 foot wall of water moving at 30mph?

You seem to have missed the "or".
--
Roland Perry