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November 7th 12, 10:40 AM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20234125
Quote: Fares across London's transport network will go up by 4.2% from January, mayor Boris Johnson has announced. The rise means a single bus fare on Oyster pay-as-you-go will be £1.40, up by 5p, while a zone 1 Tube journey will cost £2.10, an increase of 10p. The increase, described by the mayor as "balanced", is 1% above the Retail Prices Index (RPI) inflation, similar to the increase seen in train fares. Cycle hire cost also doubled with an annual membership rising to £90. In October, the government announced that from January the average fares on mainline trains will rise by 4.2% rather than 6.2%. The RPI plus 1% formula used for mainline trains is also expected to apply for London's transport network for the next two years. -- End quote So Boris Bike users see a much larger increase than LU and bus users -- is the Barclays sponsorship being cut? |
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November 7th 12, 04:17 PM
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good money to help this Boris vanity project? Boris may be a cyclist and keen to misuse his power indulging his prejudice, but most senior people in local authorities are not cyclists, least of all in the outer suburbs. |
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November 7th 12, 05:30 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 15:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
I don't particularly understand why the cycle hire scheme charges are going up quite so much. There wasn't an increase last year plus the scheme area (and therefore costs) has increased and will increase again next year. Lots of people are referring to the Barclays sponsorship issue but it was never going to be the case that Barclays contributed and kept contributing to expand the scheme. The scheme sucks up public money and TfL admitted a few months back that it had no idea as to when the scheme would break even. Expansion to new boroughs only happens if the boroughs in question fork out millions of pounds as a contribution. There was some fuss a while back about Boris Bike usage being dominated by the kind of people who are found in central London, need to get around that area and who are able to use conventional bikes. Apparently this was seen as a Bad Thing by some people. Perhaps such transport users are seen as being low down the food chain, and able to be charged more without too much outrage? Plus they are cyclists, and 110% of cyclists blah rant rant blah rant rant rant blah (cont'd letters page of any local newspaper). As for the fares, I'm intrigued by this: http://www.london.gov.uk/sites/defau...d)%20PDF. pdf They apparently consider the impact of fares on the "LGB community". Do people with G-scale model railways in their gardens really make much difference...? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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November 7th 12, 06:16 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
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18:30:09 on Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Arthur Figgis remarked: There was some fuss a while back about Boris Bike usage being dominated by the kind of people who are found in central London, need to get around that area and who are able to use conventional bikes. I've never stumbled over a Boris-Bike rank on my various recent trips to London[1], nor of course would I impose a bike on my fellow travellers on the train to London. [1] Whereas I did see evidence of a similar initiative in Brussels. -- Roland Perry |
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November 7th 12, 06:23 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 19:16, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:30:09 on Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Arthur Figgis remarked: There was some fuss a while back about Boris Bike usage being dominated by the kind of people who are found in central London, need to get around that area and who are able to use conventional bikes. I've never stumbled over a Boris-Bike rank on my various recent trips to London[1], nor of course would I impose a bike on my fellow travellers on the train to London. Official (TfL) live map of docking stations (with availability): https://web.barclayscyclehire.tfl.gov.uk/maps Unofficial live map: http://cyclehire.eu/main/ PDF map of current docking station locations: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/roadusers/cycle-hire-phase-2-map.pdf |
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November 7th 12, 06:25 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 19:16, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:30:09 on Wed, 7 Nov 2012, Arthur Figgis remarked: There was some fuss a while back about Boris Bike usage being dominated by the kind of people who are found in central London, need to get around that area and who are able to use conventional bikes. I've never stumbled over a Boris-Bike rank on my various recent trips to London[1], They aren't always particularly easy to find without a (online-)map, especially near stations. As well as the problems of physically locating them somewhere where people won't literally stumble over them, I assume this is at least partly a legacy of the attempt to discourage the idea of them being for daily London Terminal - office - London Terminal commutes. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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November 7th 12, 07:03 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 19:49, Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly the big gripe is that ever increasing fares become progressively more unaffordable for people on low or fixed incomes and that the Mayor hasn't done anything about it. I doubt this assessment will stave off all the questions given the typical reaction from various quarters today. However it does get the Mayor off the hook of not having done the assessment at all. Although a fair number of people on low or fixed incomes don't directly pay the fares (eg pensioners) or might not travel as much (would there be much point in an non-working person travelling in the morning peak every weekday?). A few weeks ago I got a bus somewhere in darkest Sussex. It was much more expensive than a London bus, but only one other passenger actually paid a fare. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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November 7th 12, 07:14 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 20:03, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 07/11/2012 19:49, Paul Corfield wrote: Clearly the big gripe is that ever increasing fares become progressively more unaffordable for people on low or fixed incomes and that the Mayor hasn't done anything about it. I doubt this assessment will stave off all the questions given the typical reaction from various quarters today. However it does get the Mayor off the hook of not having done the assessment at all. Although a fair number of people on low or fixed incomes don't directly pay the fares (eg pensioners) or might not travel as much (would there be much point in an non-working person travelling in the morning peak every weekday?). Though people on low incomes aren't necessarily non-working - I appreciate you allowed for that, but nonetheless it's worth emphasising anyway. I overheard a conversation on the train the other day where the two participants seemed to wildly overestimate the pay of those in lower income brackets. (I await a Figgis demolition of my fussy sentence!) A few weeks ago I got a bus somewhere in darkest Sussex. It was much more expensive than a London bus, but only one other passenger actually paid a fare. One of the negative outcomes of the ENCTS (aka the older folks freebie bus pass) seems to have been bus operators pushing up single fares, as (AIUI) their recompense for ENCTS users is based on a percentage of said fares. |
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November 7th 12, 07:18 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
I've never stumbled over a Boris-Bike rank on my various recent trips to London[1], nor of course would I impose a bike on my fellow travellers on the train to London. I've nearly stumbled over the odd cyclist though. The place has gone mad - young eco warriors, cycling everywhere, convinced they're saving the planet, though clearly not themselves for a ripe old age. If they don't end up under a bus the fumes, worthy of any a sixty a day smoker, will get them first and you just know they're all non- smokers (why?) as well. Mad as a box of frogs, the lot of them, and surely absolute proof that a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. |
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November 7th 12, 07:40 PM
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London bus and Tube fares go up 4.2% from January
On 07/11/2012 20:18, allantracy wrote:
The place has gone mad - young eco warriors, cycling everywhere, convinced they're saving the planet, though clearly not themselves for a ripe old age. How do you they haven't just decided it is the best way of doing a particular journey in a way which suits them? I don't care about saving the whales, but a bike offers more frequent departure opportunities than Southern. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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