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on Thu, 15 Nov 2012, David Cantrell remarked: If you use your PAYG Oyster card enough in a day that it would have been cheaper to get a one day travelcard*, then you will only be charged for a one day travelcard. And the devil in the detail is "what travelcard". There was a worked example discussed a few months ago that showed that lots of use in Z1, plus one excursion to Z2 (or was it Z4) at the end of the day, gets capped at the higher travelcard figure, which is noticeably more than the Z1 travelcard plus the extra single fare. -- Roland Perry |
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On 15/11/2012 14:34, David Cantrell wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 04:15:28PM +0000, Lewis wrote: I'm not too sure if this is the right place to post this but I was wondering if anyone could help me. What is the maximum amount of times you can use your oyster card in a set period of time? I have just produce a list of things that I need to do on Monday and it will require 9 different uses of my oyster card in a two hour period. Will my oyster card work for all thee journies? I heard that there is a cap of the amount of journeys that can be made in a period of time I expect that you're getting confused with the fare cap. If you use your PAYG Oyster card enough in a day that it would have been cheaper to get a one day travelcard*, then you will only be charged for a one day travelcard. PAYG caps are the same price as the equivalent Day Travelcards, so getting a Day Travelcard would be no cheaper. (Next year, Day Travelcards are going up in price but the PAYG caps are being frozen at 2012 levels, so it'll be cheaper to use Oyster PAYG.) Re the original question, I've used an Oyster card more than 9 times (in terms of validations) in a two hour period no problem. I've never come across the suggestion of any such limit before reading the OP's post either - I'm 99.9% certain no such limit exists. |
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On 15/11/2012 15:56, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:34:43 on Thu, 15 Nov 2012, David Cantrell remarked: If you use your PAYG Oyster card enough in a day that it would have been cheaper to get a one day travelcard*, then you will only be charged for a one day travelcard. And the devil in the detail is "what travelcard". There was a worked example discussed a few months ago that showed that lots of use in Z1, plus one excursion to Z2 (or was it Z4) at the end of the day, gets capped at the higher travelcard figure, which is noticeably more than the Z1 travelcard plus the extra single fare. There's no such thing as a Z1 only Travelcard (or PAYG cap) - only a Z1&2 Travelcard / cap. If it was an excursion to Z4, then I still can't make sense of that whatsoever - I certainly can't make it compute as being more expensive. If you can dig the discussion up, I'd be happy to take a look at it. FWIW, the fare tables for Oyster PAYG and Day Travelcards can be found here... TfL fare tables (travel on Tube/DLR/LO): http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx National Rail: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14414.aspx |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ...
On 15/11/2012 15:56, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 14:34:43 on Thu, 15 Nov 2012, David Cantrell remarked: If you use your PAYG Oyster card enough in a day that it would have been cheaper to get a one day travelcard*, then you will only be charged for a one day travelcard. And the devil in the detail is "what travelcard". There was a worked example discussed a few months ago that showed that lots of use in Z1, plus one excursion to Z2 (or was it Z4) at the end of the day, gets capped at the higher travelcard figure, which is noticeably more than the Z1 travelcard plus the extra single fare. There's no such thing as a Z1 only Travelcard (or PAYG cap) - only a Z1&2 Travelcard / cap. If it was an excursion to Z4, then I still can't make sense of that whatsoever - I certainly can't make it compute as being more expensive. If you can dig the discussion up, I'd be happy to take a look at it. I think it may have been related to the peak cap. Something like one single peak journey from Z5 to Z1, followed by a large number of journeys in Z1/2. This would be charged at the Z1-6 peak cap (£15.80), instead of single + Z1-2 peak cap (£4.40+£8.40). Peter Smyth |
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In message , at 16:35:23 on Thu, 15 Nov
2012, Mizter T remarked: And the devil in the detail is "what travelcard". There was a worked example discussed a few months ago that showed that lots of use in Z1, plus one excursion to Z2 (or was it Z4) at the end of the day, gets capped at the higher travelcard figure, which is noticeably more than the Z1 travelcard plus the extra single fare. There's no such thing as a Z1 only Travelcard (or PAYG cap) - only a Z1&2 Travelcard / cap. If it was an excursion to Z4, then I still can't make sense of that whatsoever - I certainly can't make it compute as being more expensive. Z12 Travelcard £ 8.40 Z2-Z5 Single £ 2.60 (even cheaper @ £1.40 if off peak by then) ------ £11.00 Z12345 Travelcard £15.80 -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 09:44:25PM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
You cannot work out how the capping process would work *unless* you have the times, numbers. modes and zones covered of all journeys over the day (assuming it is M-F when peak periods apply). Comparing two fares with each other or even two tariffs won't provide the answer. And that is the problem. Pricing should be clear. If it isn't, there will always be the suspicion that people are being ripped off. And pricing should be simple. If it isn't, then there are likely to be edge-cases where people *are* ripped off. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world One person can change the world, but most of the time they shouldn't -- Marge Simpson |
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In message , at 12:23:38
on Fri, 16 Nov 2012, David Cantrell remarked: You cannot work out how the capping process would work *unless* you have the times, numbers. modes and zones covered of all journeys over the day (assuming it is M-F when peak periods apply). Comparing two fares with each other or even two tariffs won't provide the answer. And that is the problem. Pricing should be clear. If it isn't, there will always be the suspicion that people are being ripped off. And pricing should be simple. If it isn't, then there are likely to be edge-cases where people *are* ripped off. Part of the problem is the impression which is given that the Oyster capping system means you'll never pay more than the total of all the individual elements bought separately as efficiently as possible. However, that isn't the case (see the Z5 example I quoted yesterday). -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:45:49 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote: I think the basic message is clear - you are capped at the lowest priced cap or at best value / lowest priced combination of peak travel and off peak cap (for the journeys you have made). I've seen several worked examples and it can get quite involved when you are balancing peak jnys against off peak ones, especially with peak / off peak different modal journeys. Another good argument for a flat fare system. B2003 |
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