|
Bus passes
With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio
that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? B2003 |
Bus passes
In message , at 09:50:31 on Thu, 29 Nov
2012, d remarked: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? Journalist referring to twirly cards perhaps. -- Roland Perry |
Bus passes
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:30:47 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:50:31 on Thu, 29 Nov 2012, d remarked: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? Journalist referring to twirly cards perhaps. Twirly cards? -- B2003 |
Bus passes
What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are
there special bus only Oyster cards? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
Bus passes
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:09:27 -0000
"Robin" wrote: What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14415.aspx Ah ok, so a "bus pass" is just a special type of entry on an Oyster card. That makes sense. B2003 |
Bus passes
In message , at 10:56:11 on Thu, 29 Nov
2012, d remarked: Journalist referring to twirly cards perhaps. Twirly cards? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twirly entry #2 (although the term is also in common use in London). And, yes I know, they are valid all hours in London now. -- Roland Perry |
Bus passes
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:13:45 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: entry #2 (although the term is also in common use in London). I've never heard it. *shrug* B2003 |
Bus passes
On Nov 29, 1:01*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC), wrote: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? There is a 7 day, monthly or longer Bus and Tram Pass. This is issued on an Oyster Card. The Daily Bus Pass has been replaced by the PAYG cap for bus and tram travel. Instead of a weekly bus pass people could buy a ( for example ) zone 2/3 weekly Tube travelcard for almost the same price; this could be used on the Tube in those zones and on every London bus. |
Bus passes
Instead of a weekly bus pass people could buy a ( for example ) zone
2/3 weekly Tube travelcard for almost the same price; this could be used on the Tube in those zones and on every London bus. Yep - but I bet there are still plenty of people who need buses to get to and from work and to whom the extra £3.20 a week would be significant. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
Bus passes
Paul Corfield wrote in
: On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? There is a 7 day, monthly or longer Bus and Tram Pass. This is issued on an Oyster Card. The Daily Bus Pass has been replaced by the PAYG cap for bus and tram travel. Bus saver tickets may still be in circulation as people could obviously still hold stocks of them and they can be purchased by businesses on a corporate sales basis. There are also people like me who live outside the London boundary and have a local authority bus pass valid on London buses (but not tube or train). Peter -- || Peter CS ~ Epsom ~ UK | pjcs02 [at] gmail.com | |
Bus passes
On 30/11/2012 09:26, Robin wrote: Instead of a weekly bus pass people could buy a ( for example ) zone 2/3 weekly Tube travelcard for almost the same price; this could be used on the Tube in those zones and on every London bus. Yep - but I bet there are still plenty of people who need buses to get to and from work and to whom the extra £3.20 a week would be significant. Agreed - if one is never (or hardly ever) going to take advantage of this, then it's money down the drain. It is potentially v useful for those who might find it advantageous. |
Bus passes
wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:13:45 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: entry #2 (although the term is also in common use in London). I've never heard it. *shrug* Used to hear it all though my teens when waiting for a morning bus tim |
Bus passes
|
Bus passes
In article ,
(Tony Dragon) wrote: On 29/11/2012 09:50, d wrote: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? How about senior citizens bus passes issued from outside London. They seem to be dealt with entirely manually, being ITSO and not Oyster. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Bus passes
On 01/12/2012 13:17, wrote:
In article , (Tony Dragon) wrote: On 29/11/2012 09:50, d wrote: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? How about senior citizens bus passes issued from outside London. They seem to be dealt with entirely manually, being ITSO and not Oyster. Indeed, but the OP said 'bus passes'. |
Bus passes
In article ,
(Tony Dragon) wrote: On 01/12/2012 13:17, wrote: In article , (Tony Dragon) wrote: On 29/11/2012 09:50, d wrote: With the bus strike in north london today they've been saying on the radio that bus passes will be accepted on reasonable alternative routes. What bus passes? I thought it was either Oyster or cash now. Or are there special bus only Oyster cards? How about senior citizens bus passes issued from outside London. They seem to be dealt with entirely manually, being ITSO and not Oyster. Indeed, but the OP said 'bus passes'. National old people's bus passes outside London are issued on ITSO smart cards which can't be read on London buses. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Bus passes
|
Bus passes
In article ,
(John Ray) wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:57:10 -0600, wrote: National old people's bus passes outside London are issued on ITSO smart cards which can't be read on London buses. My London Freedom Pass can be read on Arriva buses in Liverpool. How does this work? Perhaps it has both Oyster and ITSO functionality. I thought that was the London plan when the national bus pass scheme was rolled out. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Bus passes
In message of Sun, 2 Dec
2012 09:13:22 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes [snip] The London system is being upgraded, by a DfT funded project, so that all Oyster readers can read ITSO spec cards. Therefore concessionary passes issued elsewhere in England will be read by London bus readers. NOTE that this does NOT mean that bus concessionary passes will work on the tube, rail or DLR - they won't as they are not valid. I think it does mean that such additional validity could be simple to implement, given the political will. This London Council Tax payer and Freedom Pass holder would like to see symmetrical validity. Let Northumberland seniors travel free by London Tube and let me travel free on buses and Glasgow Subway in Scotland. OTOH, we don't even have symmetrical validity in London. I can go to Dartford with a Freedom Pass, but not with Oyster PAYG. I saw many Oyster customers tripped and trapped at that gateline, when I went there one afternoon. Even worse, was finding someone had gone between Waterloo and Hersham with PAYG and risked a criminal record. Travel beyond Surbiton is not covered.] I was astounded that the Oyster Customer Service Centre cancelled the incomplete journey charges. -- Walter Briscoe |
Bus passes
In message , at 09:13:22 on
Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Paul Corfield remarked: It also means that ITSO spec cards issued by train companies will be able to be read and accepted in London provided the card holds a product valid in London. As discussed recently over in uk.railway regarding the Southern "The Key" ITSO card. http://www.southernrailway.com/smart...ing-the-key/4/ (In London from Winter 2013). -- Roland Perry |
Bus passes
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:50:03 +0000, John Ray wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:57:10 -0600, wrote: National old people's bus passes outside London are issued on ITSO smart cards which can't be read on London buses. My London Freedom Pass can be read on Arriva buses in Liverpool. How does this work? The most recent issue of Freedom Passes work with Oyster and ITSO standard equipment. As bus operators outside London are strongly incentivised by the DfT to adopt ITSO spec equipment many of them are doing so. It also assists in the reimbursement process as they have the data to submit to the relevant local authority / PTE. The London system is being upgraded, by a DfT funded project, so that all Oyster readers can read ITSO spec cards. Therefore concessionary passes issued elsewhere in England will be read by London bus readers. NOTE that this does NOT mean that bus concessionary passes will work on the tube, rail or DLR - they won't as they are not valid. It also means that ITSO spec cards issued by train companies will be able to be read and accepted in London provided the card holds a product valid in London. Good news. Do you know when London buses will start registering trips by ITSO bus passes? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Bus passes
"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message ... In message of Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:13:22 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes [snip] The London system is being upgraded, by a DfT funded project, so that all Oyster readers can read ITSO spec cards. Therefore concessionary passes issued elsewhere in England will be read by London bus readers. NOTE that this does NOT mean that bus concessionary passes will work on the tube, rail or DLR - they won't as they are not valid. I think it does mean that such additional validity could be simple to implement, given the political will. But there isn't any Giving non-local reside free transport in an area the size of London costs tens of millions. This London Council Tax payer and Freedom Pass holder would like to see symmetrical validity. And I would like my travel paid for by someone else too! The fact is that this is in the gift of the transport operator not pass holders. Not gonna happen tim |
Bus passes
On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 17:51:34 -0600,
wrote: In article , (John Ray) wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:57:10 -0600, wrote: National old people's bus passes outside London are issued on ITSO smart cards which can't be read on London buses. My London Freedom Pass can be read on Arriva buses in Liverpool. How does this work? Perhaps it has both Oyster and ITSO functionality. I thought that was the London plan when the national bus pass scheme was rolled out. That explains it - my Freedom Pass has an "ITSO" logo on it. I have noticed that it seems to take a couple of seconds for my pass to be recognised by the Arriva bus card reader, whereas on London buses it is virtually instantaneous. Possibly there is a compatibility issue? -- John Ray |
Bus passes
In article ,
John Ray wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 17:51:34 -0600, wrote: In article , (John Ray) wrote: My London Freedom Pass can be read on Arriva buses in Liverpool. How does this work? Perhaps it has both Oyster and ITSO functionality. I thought that was the London plan when the national bus pass scheme was rolled out. That explains it - my Freedom Pass has an "ITSO" logo on it. I have noticed that it seems to take a couple of seconds for my pass to be recognised by the Arriva bus card reader, whereas on London buses it is virtually instantaneous. Possibly there is a compatibility issue? In my own limited experience (an ITSO pass for Derby station ticket gates), that's how long ITSO takes anyway. Nick -- "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
Bus passes
On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:31:12 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote: I suspect pensioners, those who genuinely rely on buses, would much prefer to keep their bus services and pay something towards their fares or an annual charge for the pass. The alternative of a free pass but no services is simply useless. The disparity between London and the rest of the country is also scandalous although I recognise London pensioners would man the barricades to keep what they have got. I wonder if they realise how very well provided for they are? I, for one, do recognise how well provided-for I am. But Londoners are not quite alone in this. Pensioners living in the Liverpool area are equally well-provided for; the Merseytravel pass for the over 60s may be used on buses, trains and ferries in the Merseyside region. As far as I am aware there are no plans to change this. -- John Ray |
Bus passes
In message , at 19:31:12 on
Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Paul Corfield remarked: I suspect pensioners, those who genuinely rely on buses, would much prefer to keep their bus services and pay something towards their fares or an annual charge for the pass. The alternative of a free pass but no services is simply useless. The disparity between London and the rest of the country is also scandalous although I recognise London pensioners would man the barricades to keep what they have got. I wish I could find a barricade to man regarding the scandalous slippage of the qualifying date (from 60 to around 63 at the moment). I wonder if they realise how very well provided for they are? I think few Londoners realise how well served they are. -- Roland Perry |
Bus passes
I wish I could find a barricade to man regarding the scandalous slippage of the qualifying date (from 60 to around 63 at the moment). I'd much rather the qualifying age continued to increased than that entitlemenmt was means-tested. I think few Londoners realise how well served they are. IMLE quote a few of us do; and also see Boris's reversion to 60 as the qualifying age as leaving an open goal for those who want means-testing. A classic bit of short-term electioneering. -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
Bus passes
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 07:31:12PM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
There is decent enough information around as to where Oyster does or does not work. IMLE many TOCs go to reasonable lengths to display posters at stations and on trains and to use in train displays to say clearly where Oyster stops being valid. I'm pretty sure Greater Anglia, London Midland, C2C and Southern use these means. I rarely use South Eastern but am well aware of the Dartford difference. Southern *used to*, but then they started accepting PAYG and I've not noticed any publicity at all about where it is and is not valid. I'd not be at all surprised to find that people get caught out trying to use it to get to places like Gatwick or Redhill or Woldingham. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world Irregular English: you have anecdotes; they have data; I have proof |
Bus passes
In message , at 13:17:45 on Mon, 3 Dec 2012,
Robin remarked: I wish I could find a barricade to man regarding the scandalous slippage of the qualifying date (from 60 to around 63 at the moment). I'd much rather the qualifying age continued to increased than that entitlemenmt was means-tested. I think a limited amount of means testing is OK, there's enough of it in other fields that you could tack that one on as well. Use the well worn "roughly what free school meals entitlement is" that crops up all over the place. -- Roland Perry |
Bus passes
On 02/12/2012 19:31, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:16:53 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: In message of Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:13:22 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes [snip] The London system is being upgraded, by a DfT funded project, so that all Oyster readers can read ITSO spec cards. Therefore concessionary passes issued elsewhere in England will be read by London bus readers. NOTE that this does NOT mean that bus concessionary passes will work on the tube, rail or DLR - they won't as they are not valid. I think it does mean that such additional validity could be simple to implement, given the political will. I do not know enough about how ITSO "product definitions" work to know if it would be technically possible or "simple". It strikes me that nothing about ITSO is that easy - if it was it would be in far greater use than it is. There is no political will so you don't need to worry about. This London Council Tax payer and Freedom Pass holder would like to see symmetrical validity. Let Northumberland seniors travel free by London Tube and let me travel free on buses and Glasgow Subway in Scotland. Oh I am sure that you would. I suspect Mr Salmond would be delighted (not!) to give you free travel in Scotland provided we give him all the oil revenues and everything else he wants. Face it - the English Concessionary Pass scheme is a disaster financially as it has never been funded properly and commercial bus operators are fed up with it. It is causing the abolition and reduction of bus services because the revenue base has been eroded and costs have gone up (where ridership has gone up). There is no point at all in having a pass if there are no services to use it on. I fully expect that London Councils will soon get to the point of being unable to sustain the Freedom Pass and Boris has simply raided TfL's budget to fund the 60+ pass. Every time fares go up then the cost of the Freedom Pass goes up. Even with the push to increase the age of entitlement for concessionary passes the whole thing is a disastrous mess and politicians need to stop lying about what is going on. Local authority budgets are under such enormous pressure for the next 4-5 years, on top of horrendous cuts, that the funding for the Freedom Pass cannot be guaranteed. It simply does not override things like funding education, waste collection, child protection or care for the elderly so it must end up in the firing line soon enough. I suspect pensioners, those who genuinely rely on buses, would much prefer to keep their bus services and pay something towards their fares or an annual charge for the pass. The alternative of a free pass but no services is simply useless. The disparity between London and the rest of the country is also scandalous although I recognise London pensioners would man the barricades to keep what they have got. I wonder if they realise how very well provided for they are? OTOH, we don't even have symmetrical validity in London. I can go to Dartford with a Freedom Pass, but not with Oyster PAYG. I saw many Oyster customers tripped and trapped at that gateline, when I went there one afternoon. Even worse, was finding someone had gone between Waterloo and Hersham with PAYG and risked a criminal record. Travel beyond Surbiton is not covered.] I was astounded that the Oyster Customer Service Centre cancelled the incomplete journey charges. We have never had symmetrical validity between all tickets and passes in London. I doubt we ever will as the commercial pressures will keep pulling NR fares away from TfL ones. There is no obvious strategy from the Mayor to align fares other than via TfL taking over services. I still doubt the government will endorse a mass move to concession based contracts on the really big commuter TOCs. There is decent enough information around as to where Oyster does or does not work. IMLE many TOCs go to reasonable lengths to display posters at stations and on trains and to use in train displays to say clearly where Oyster stops being valid. I'm pretty sure Greater Anglia, London Midland, C2C and Southern use these means. I rarely use South Eastern but am well aware of the Dartford difference. All SWT stations tell you what zone they are in, usually on the nameboard. |
Bus passes
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:02:58PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
I think few Londoners realise how well served they are. Any of us who have tried to use public transport in the provinces do. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world |
Bus passes
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:56:17PM +0000, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 02/12/2012 19:31, Paul Corfield wrote: There is decent enough information around as to where Oyster does or does not work. IMLE many TOCs go to reasonable lengths to display posters at stations and on trains and to use in train displays to say clearly where Oyster stops being valid. I'm pretty sure Greater Anglia, London Midland, C2C and Southern use these means. I rarely use South Eastern but am well aware of the Dartford difference. All SWT stations tell you what zone they are in, usually on the nameboard. Those that are inside the zones aren't the problem. Do those that are outside the zones make it really clear that Oyster *isn't* valid? And do they make it obvious *before you get on the train at Waterloo*? Southern don't. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information Arbeit macht Alkoholiker |
Bus passes
Roland Perry wrote I wish I could find a barricade to man regarding the scandalous slippage of the qualifying date (from 60 to around 63 at the moment). The creeping increase is to keep the qualifying age in line with the State Pension age for women which is in the process of being slowly increased to be the same as for men, 65. Men got passes at 60 only because a man sued for sex discrimination. So everyone who gets the State Pension continue to be age qualified for a Bus Pass and eventually only those who qualify for the State Pension will qualify for a Bus Pass. At which point, since people persist in living longer, that age is sure to be crept towards 70 and then 75. -- Mike D |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 02:21 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2006 LondonBanter.co.uk