New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

Has appeared here on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it clearly
shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea someone
came up with that's often linked to...)

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it clearly
shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea someone
came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:12:19 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it clearly
shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea someone
came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Multiple sub-classes decided by what maps are installed ? I wonder why
nobody thought of that one before ?

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article
,
(e27002) wrote:

On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it
clearly shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use on
the East London?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Nov 29, 8:09*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

I don't see what is wrong with the map. It shows the services,

except for the Battersea Park service...!

(OK, I know there isn't really much point in showing it, and am not
suggesting showing it).

PhilD

--

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it
clearly shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use on
the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south? A map for the DC only sections, showing
interchanges to the rest of the Overground, would be much easier on
the eye. The real question is how easy do non enthusiasts find
reading the map.

Presumably the content and style of the maps is a TfL choice, not that
of the operator.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article
,
(e27002) wrote:

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it
clearly shows the difference between through services and branches
etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south? A map for the DC only sections, showing
interchanges to the rest of the Overground, would be much easier on
the eye. The real question is how easy do non enthusiasts find
reading the map.

There's a connection at Highbury and Islington, but for empty stock only.
The line runs on from the DC platforms 7 & 8. Looking at some pictures I
took I see that the overhead starts by the footbridge at the West end of
platform 7 and the third rail stops at the Car Stop board. Platform 8 is a
dead end. I wonder how much use it gets?

Presumably the content and style of the maps is a TfL choice, not that
of the operator.

It is a concession so I would expect so. Have the platform signs on the
South London line been changed to LO ones yet? They hadn't last Saturday.
The decorators were busy on Platform 2 at Clapham Junction this afternoon.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and it
clearly shows the difference between through services and branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use on
the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

A map for the DC only sections, showing
interchanges to the rest of the Overground, would be much easier on
the eye. The real question is how easy do non enthusiasts find
reading the map.

Presumably the content and style of the maps is a TfL choice, not that
of the operator.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on
the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced. Most days
there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article , (Jack
Taylor) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced. Most
days there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

And presumably more from 9th December?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

On 29 Nov, 20:55, wrote:
In article
,

(e27002) wrote:
On 29 Nov, 13:09, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Has appeared here on
flickr:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaggers/8228777689/

Seems a reasonably useful version given the space available - and
it clearly shows the difference between through services and
branches etc.

(Which is more than can be said for that ridiculous circular idea
someone came up with that's often linked to...)

It is OK. *It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. *These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the
network anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in
regular use on the East London?

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Things would be clearer if there was a picture taken along platform 7 in the
other direction. I've got the shot but not on the web.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:09:33 -0600,
wrote:

The line runs on from the DC platforms 7 & 8.

No, the DC lines are 1 and 2 (the original North London Line
platforms), the AC lines are 7 (westbound) and 8 (eastbound).
Platforms 2 and 7 are an island.

Looking at some pictures I
took I see that the overhead starts by the footbridge at the West end of
platform 7 and the third rail stops at the Car Stop board. Platform 8 is a
dead end. I wonder how much use it gets?

Platform 1 is the dead end. I've wondered about the layout at
the west end of platform 2 where the DC and AC don't overlap. I
have no knowledge as to whether it is used as you describe but
if not that then what?
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Charles Ellson) wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:22:54 -0800 (PST), e27002
wrote:

Can dual voltage stock reaches the East London section, and its
branches to the south?

Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Things would be clearer if there was a picture taken along platform 7 in the
other direction. I've got the shot but not on the web.

You mean platform 2.
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Jack
Taylor) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced. Most
days there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

And presumably more from 9th December?

Why? Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction is DC. Have they
put some AC between Surrey Quays and Queens Road Peckham?
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets some
speed up first and hopes for the best!

B2003

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:39 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets
some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

Thats the dead end track isn't it?

B2003

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

wrote in message ...

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:39 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets
some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

Thats the dead end track isn't it?


The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

Platform numbering at Highbury & Islington is bizarre. The ELL platforms (in
the photograph) are 1 and 2. The NLL platforms are 7 and 8 (the central
island is 2 and 7). 3-6 are the low level platforms for the Victoria Line
and the Northern City (Moorgate) line.

Peter

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000
"Peter Masson" wrote:
The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

It seems very bizarre to have a short section of unelectrified line on an
otherwise electrified system especially when its the obvious place for stock
transfer. Unless for some reason they required complete electrical seperation
between the AC and DC sections.

B2003

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 30/11/2012 11:35, d wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:20:39 +0000
Graeme wrote:
On 30/11/2012 10:03, d wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:28:16 +0000
Charles wrote:
Yes :-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/5490835946/

Looking at the line on the left the 3rd rail presumably stops halfway
down the platform, long before the overhead starts. This was obviously
done deliberately but why? Surely it means anything electric has to be
dragged to and from the 25kv and 3rd rail sections unless the driver gets
some
speed up first and hopes for the best!


Except the right hand line has third rail at least up to the bridge the
photo was taken from. Very strange

Thats the dead end track isn't it?


Don't know the station that well I'm afraid. I was last there long
before LOROL.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

wrote in message
...

It is OK. It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on
the East London?

Not at all split rigidly.

As you probably know, there was originally a discrete number of DC only
units ordered, and this fleet was sized for the original ELL, ie before the
Highbury extension. All the subsequent orders (as the extensions were
approved) were for dual voltage stock, and they can and do go anywhere on
the overall electrified network.

Hence all the dual voltage units need the full map.

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000

It seems very bizarre to have a short section of unelectrified line on an
otherwise electrified system especially when its the obvious place for
stock
transfer. Unless for some reason they required complete electrical
seperation
between the AC and DC sections.

According to posts elsewhere a year or two back it is a simplified system
which does achieve electrical separation, and therefore can only be used for
irregular movements, it is not designed for timetabled operation.

The normal means of transfer of stock is via a number of route options in
south London onto the WLL.

Paul

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:44:45 +0000, Roger
wrote:

Why? Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction is DC. Have they
put some AC between Surrey Quays and Queens Road Peckham?

Weren't the additional trains for the SLL service dual voltage units?
Bringing them into daily service means more dual voltage units on the
ELL service overall.

Correct. All the units ordered after the initial two subfleets were dual
voltage, whatever the reason for the numbers required. This was discussed
here firstly at the time the Highbury extension batch were ordered, and
again when TfL announced that the last batch would also be dual voltage,
IIRC this was the three additional units needed to take over the SLL.

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:17:38 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:44:45 +0000, Roger
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Jack
Taylor) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced. Most
days there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

And presumably more from 9th December?

Why? Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction is DC. Have they
put some AC between Surrey Quays and Queens Road Peckham?

Weren't the additional trains for the SLL service dual voltage units?
Bringing them into daily service means more dual voltage units on the
ELL service overall.

My point is that from an operational point of view dual voltage
is not required (unless they've put AC between Surrey Quays and
Queens Road Peckham). So why does Colin Rosenstiel think there
may be more dual voltage running down the ELL, unless that is
all that is available.
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 30 Nov, 13:43, Roger wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:17:38 +0000, Paul Corfield





wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:44:45 +0000, Roger
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Jack
Taylor) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
news:KamdnZHjcqkwVirNnZ2dnUVZ8lCdnZ2d@giganews .com...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in regular use
on the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced. Most
days there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

And presumably more from 9th December?

Why? Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction is DC. Have they
put some AC between Surrey Quays and Queens Road Peckham?

Weren't the additional trains for the SLL service dual voltage units?
Bringing them into daily service means more dual voltage units on the
ELL service overall.

My point is that from an operational point of view dual voltage
is not required (unless they've put AC between Surrey Quays and
Queens Road Peckham). So why does Colin Rosenstiel think there
may be more dual voltage running down the ELL, unless that is
all that is available.

Based on this and other threads: There are insufficient DC only sets
to operate all DC only services.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

"Roger" wrote in message
...

My point is that from an operational point of view dual voltage
is not required (unless they've put AC between Surrey Quays and
Queens Road Peckham). So why does Colin Rosenstiel think there
may be more dual voltage running down the ELL, unless that is
all that is available.

He isn't suggesting more 'dual voltage running', but more dual voltage
trains running in DC mode.

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:09:17 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
.. .

My point is that from an operational point of view dual voltage
is not required (unless they've put AC between Surrey Quays and
Queens Road Peckham). So why does Colin Rosenstiel think there
may be more dual voltage running down the ELL, unless that is
all that is available.

He isn't suggesting more 'dual voltage running', but more dual voltage
trains running in DC mode.

Misunderstanding on my part. I didn't know that there was
insufficient DC only stock.
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

"Roger" wrote in message
...

He isn't suggesting more 'dual voltage running', but more dual voltage
trains running in DC mode.

Misunderstanding on my part. I didn't know that there was
insufficient DC only stock.

I've checked the numbers and it looks like there are 25 diagrams required
for the ELL branches from the timetable change, so on the assumption that
they'll have 2 or 3 of the 20 DC units undergoing maintenance at any one
time, (85% typical utilisation?) you'd normally expect to see 7 or 8 dual
voltage units (out of the fleet of 37) in use on the ELL on a daily basis.

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

I've checked the numbers and it looks like there are 25 diagrams required
for the ELL branches from the timetable change, so on the assumption that
they'll have 2 or 3 of the 20 DC units undergoing maintenance at any one
time, (85% typical utilisation?) you'd normally expect to see 7 or 8 dual
voltage units (out of the fleet of 37) in use on the ELL on a daily basis.

PS - I see in the District Dave forum's similar discussion someone's
posted:

"The ac/dc units only need show the NLL/WLL and Watford-Euston route, unless
there is a strong likelihood of units being hijacked for the ELL/SLL".

Anyone got a login there who could put him right?

Paul S

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article
,
(77002) wrote:

On 30 Nov, 13:43, Roger wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:17:38 +0000, Paul Corfield

wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:44:45 +0000, Roger
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:48:37 -0600,
wrote:

In article , (Jack
Taylor) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote in message
news:KamdnZHjcqkwVirNnZ2dnUVZ8lCdnZ2d@giganews .com...
Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the
network anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units
in regular use on the East London?

Yes, it's happened regularly since the a.c. services commenced.
Most days there is at least one 378/2 working on the ELL.

And presumably more from 9th December?

Why? Queens Road Peckham to Clapham Junction is DC. Have they
put some AC between Surrey Quays and Queens Road Peckham?

Weren't the additional trains for the SLL service dual voltage units?
Bringing them into daily service means more dual voltage units on the
ELL service overall.

My point is that from an operational point of view dual voltage
is not required (unless they've put AC between Surrey Quays and
Queens Road Peckham). So why does Colin Rosenstiel think there
may be more dual voltage running down the ELL, unless that is
all that is available.

Based on this and other threads: There are insufficient DC only sets
to operate all DC only services.

Precisely. The DC network is being extended without any extra DC-only units.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
lid (Roger) wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:09:33 -0600,
wrote:

The line runs on from the DC platforms 7 & 8.

No, the DC lines are 1 and 2 (the original North London Line
platforms), the AC lines are 7 (westbound) and 8 (eastbound).
Platforms 2 and 7 are an island.

Looking at some pictures I
took I see that the overhead starts by the footbridge at the West end of
platform 7 and the third rail stops at the Car Stop board. Platform 8 is
a dead end. I wonder how much use it gets?

Platform 1 is the dead end. I've wondered about the layout at
the west end of platform 2 where the DC and AC don't overlap. I
have no knowledge as to whether it is used as you describe but
if not that then what?

Yes, sorry, you are right. I misread my photo.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line between
the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used there will
either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it will have to be
dragged by a diseasel.

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
lid (Roger) wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:47:56 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:

The right hand line ends in a buffer stop under the bridge from which the
photo was taken. The left hand line continues as the transfer line
between the ELL and the NLL. This is currently OOU, but for it to be used
there will either have to be an AC/DC interface, or anything using it
will have to be dragged by a diseasel.

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.

It's not in my photos, taken 4th July 2011.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:32:33 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.

It's not in my photos, taken 4th July 2011.

Was the signal there then?
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
lid (Roger) wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:32:33 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.

It's not in my photos, taken 4th July 2011.

Was the signal there then?

Yes, EL318, and a 20 limit disc.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:42:20 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:32:33 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.

It's not in my photos, taken 4th July 2011.

Was the signal there then?

Yes, EL318, and a 20 limit disc.

I'm referring to NL 1238 on the west side of Liverpool Road.
(For those that don't know Highbury & Islington station can be
seen looking over the wall on the east side of Liverpool Road.)
Where is EL 318? I'm not going signal hunting in the dark! I'll
look out for it next time I'm in the area during the day.
--
Roger

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
lid (Roger) wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:42:20 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 09:32:33 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Roger) wrote:

The line which extends to the west from platform 2 is certainly
not in use. I was lurking along Liverpool Road and looked over
the wall on the west side. There is a piece of wood (an old
sleeper?) tied down across the track by signal NL 1238. I've
seen it before but I don't know when it was put there.

It's not in my photos, taken 4th July 2011.

Was the signal there then?

Yes, EL318, and a 20 limit disc.

I'm referring to NL 1238 on the west side of Liverpool Road.
(For those that don't know Highbury & Islington station can be
seen looking over the wall on the east side of Liverpool Road.)
Where is EL 318? I'm not going signal hunting in the dark! I'll
look out for it next time I'm in the area during the day.

On platform 2 just before the overbridge which also supports the end of the
overhead line.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote in message
...

It is OK. It is a pity we cannot have two or three fleets covering a
subset of Overground services. These trains could then carry simpler
maps covering the are served.

Are the actual sub-classes split rigidly between the bits of the network
anyway? For example are there now some dual voltage units in egular use
on the East London?

Not at all split rigidly.

As you probably know, there was originally a discrete number of DC
only units ordered, and this fleet was sized for the original ELL, ie
before the Highbury extension. All the subsequent orders (as the
extensions were approved) were for dual voltage stock, and they can
and do go anywhere on the overall electrified network.

Hence all the dual voltage units need the full map.

I decided to take Boris' M25 all the way round as I had time to spare in
London yesterday. In fact all the DC-only units seem to have the new maps
and most of the DV units don't have the Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction
link on their maps yet.

I had some business in Putney and then went to Clapham Junction. The first
departure advertised, at 13:29, was to Highbury and Islington so I got on
that on platform 2. In fact the 13:31 to Stratford left first but never
mind. The change is easier at Highbury the way round I took. While at
Highbury I photographed the connection to the AC route which is clearly
still not commissioned, unchanged since I took photos there in July last
year.

After I got back to Clapham Junction I went to Battersea Park. The subway to
Platform 1 is now taped off with a sign "Please not as from Sunday 09th
December there will be no more direct trains to Peckham Rye, if you require
a service to Peckham Rye you will have to go via Clapham Junction". The
platform indicator says "***PLATFORM CLOSED*** This platform is no longer in
passenger use." Platform 2 has no advertised services. I suspect the Parly
may use it. Both tracks through platforms 1 and 2 seem still to be in
regular use. I caught the continuing Victoria-London Bridge service from
platform 3 as far as Crystal Palace.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

Apropos just of the new route. at Dalston Junction today there was a
great announcement along the lines of: "The xxxx service to Clapham
Junction has been cancelled due to an unknown reason subject to ongoing
investigation".

E.

New LO in car line diagram for ELLX Phase 2
 

On 2012-12-13 22:04:15 +0000, Paul Corfield said:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:40:47 +0000, eastender
wrote:

Apropos just of the new route. at Dalston Junction today there was a
great announcement along the lines of: "The xxxx service to Clapham
Junction has been cancelled due to an unknown reason subject to ongoing
investigation".

"we ain't got no clue, innit"

What got me is that this sounded like a prerecorded announcement - I'd
take my hat off to the person who wrote this if it weren't so cold.

E.