Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

B2003

On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:59:28 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:50:44 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Including the ones managed by TfL? ;-)

I didn't notice much grit on the north circular so it was probably more
by luck than design.

B2003

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:58:47 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

NSR?

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.

B2003

On 5 Dec, 12:38, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:58:47 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. *SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

NSR?

New Southern Railway.

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.

Indeed. The Boston "T" carries on thru some of the most inclement
conditions I have ever experienced. If you have never endured a New
England winter, take it from me, you don't want to. Yet, the street
cars and subway lines soldier on. They are all electric.

On 5/12/12 11:58, in article
, "77002"
wrote:

On 5 Dec, 09:50, wrote:
Problems on the central line, piccadilly line, bakerloo suspended north
of wherever it was. Overground suspended north of wilseden. Why? Slightly
below freezing temps and a few flakes of snow. What an utter farce TfL is.
And they have the gall to put the fares up yet again above inflation in Jan.

Meanwhile the roads were fine.

Last year NSR was the same. SWT continued until there was real snow.
The FGW diesels carried on running to Brighton and Portsmouth
regardless.

I'm replying to your message because the original one from boltar has not
shown up on Giganews for some reason.

I don't know which roads he saw which were 'fine', no doubt there were many,
but my bus took about twice as long as usual to get me to work this morning.
About 1-2 cm of snow on the ground, except where vehicles had removed it.

d wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not
geared up for it at all. That applies across most industries and
transport modes, not just rail. Just look at the way the road system
grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not

Its becoming more common so perhaps we should cope. Anyway , that aside
there's no excuse for 4 lines going down just because of a teeny amount
of snow and a slight frost. Any well run railway should be able to cope with
that.

grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

There's no point spending a grand on winter tyres and wheels because you'll
just get to the end of your street then get stuck behind 200 cars that don't
have them. For it to work the government needs to make them law as in france
and germany.

B2003

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:54:48 +0000
Stephen Furley wrote:
I don't know which roads he saw which were 'fine', no doubt there were many,
but my bus took about twice as long as usual to get me to work this morning.
About 1-2 cm of snow on the ground, except where vehicles had removed it.

People will naturally drive slower in the snow, but my journey was ok because
the snow seemed to have scared a lot of the usual school run muppets off the
roads so there was less traffic.

B2003

d wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:08:18 +0000
Anthony Polson wrote:
wrote:

I suppose the plus side of diesels is that they don't have to worry about
dodgy eletricity supplies. Though you have to wonder how the metro systems
in places like canada and oslo manage to run when its -20C and snow a metre
deep.


Because they get those conditions every winter and are completely
geared up to dealing with them?

We cannot cope with snow because we don't get it every year so are not

Its becoming more common so perhaps we should cope. Anyway , that aside
there's no excuse for 4 lines going down just because of a teeny amount
of snow and a slight frost. Any well run railway should be able to cope with
that.


You can't draw any conclusion about the probability of regular snow in
the future from a couple of years' worth of data. The last time that
SE England saw regular winter snow was in the days of Network
SouthEast. Snowblowers were purchased by NSE but after delivery we
had no regular snow for about 15 years so they were sent to Scotland
where apparently they have had very little use.


grinds to a halt when it snows, because councils are unable to cope
and most motorists haven't got a clue about choosing the right tyres
for their vehicles.

There's no point spending a grand on winter tyres and wheels because you'll
just get to the end of your street then get stuck behind 200 cars that don't
have them. For it to work the government needs to make them law as in france
and germany.


I agree, they should be a legal requirement. They perform well on any
surface in cold conditions, not just snow. Mine cost me £280 fitted
on a £100 set of used wheels. Total £380.