In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

;134867 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
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In message , at
04:48:36 on Tue, 11 Dec 2012,
remarked:--
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.-

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to
the likes of Central London. You change where the orbital line
intersects with a radial line for that.-

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out
the Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are
hopeless.-

That is one of the limitations of the London Overground orbital route.
Cue rebuilding of East Brixton and a Loughborough Junction interchange.

Ah! You have my undivided interest.

I've long been puzzled why there is no scheduled train service from
Blackfriars via the Loughborough Junction avoiding line to Clapham
Junction and points further south.

I'm also puzzled why no-one has ever built new platforms in Brixton
directly above the Beckenham Junction and Victoria platforms,
thereby providing a connection.

Have these two ideas been thrashed out repeatedly in the past?

The Brixton idea has been put forward many times but no-one was willing to
find the money.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Right, well there's a job for Boris in his current expansionist mood.

On 13 Dec, 23:38, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:48:36
on Tue, 11 Dec 2012, remarked:
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the likes
of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects with a
radial line for that.

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out the
Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.

I see more of a parallel between Overground and the North/South Circular
than with the M25. I read an article a while ago comparing the North
Circular with a big bully who barges his way through everything, and the
South Circular with someone very timid, tiptoeing around "ooh excuse me,
sorry, pardon me". The NLL cuts its own path across all the other routes,
resulting in less good connections. Overground in south London shares most
or all of it's lines with other services, resulting in better connections.
Rather like the North Circular's big dual carriageway barging through, and
the South Circular weaving and winding using parts of lots of other routes.

That probably reflects that true London is north of the Thames. South
of the Thames is a cluster of annexed Surrey and Kentish towns and
villages.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:09:47 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
That probably reflects that true London is north of the Thames. South
of the Thames is a cluster of annexed Surrey and Kentish towns and
villages.

Except Kentish Town which is 2 miles north of the river. No I have no idea
either )

B2003

In message
,
77002 wrote:
South
of the Thames is a cluster of annexed Surrey and Kentish towns and
villages.

So is much of north of the Thames. Places like Knightsbridge. Kensington
was a place that was difficult to get to because of the state of the
roads. When I was young West Ham was one of the largest towns in Essex.
Hammersmith was a place that rich stockbrokers lived because they liked
to be out in the country - why do you think *three* railways built lines
there from London?

--
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On 28/12/12 12:31, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:


So is much of north of the Thames. Places like Knightsbridge. Kensington
was a place that was difficult to get to because of the state of the
roads. When I was young West Ham was one of the largest towns in Essex.
Hammersmith was a place that rich stockbrokers lived because they liked
to be out in the country - why do you think *three* railways built lines
there from London?

The Gorbals was originally developed as an upmarket residential area for
rich Glaswegians who wanted to move out of the city centre.

Ian

"Robin9" wrote in message
...

;134867 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:
-
In message , at
04:48:36 on Tue, 11 Dec 2012,
remarked:--
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.-

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the
likes of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects
with a radial line for that.-

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out
the Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.-

That is one of the limitations of the London Overground orbital route.
Cue
rebuilding of East Brixton and a Loughborough Junction interchange.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Ah! You have my undivided interest.

I've long been puzzled why there is no scheduled train service from
Blackfriars via the Loughborough Junction avoiding line to Clapham
Junction
and points further south.
The reasons are partly historic and a lack of need. Historically Blackfriars
probably would have had limited spare capacity and such a service would get
in the way of main line/boat train/Eurostar services. Physically, Waterloo
and Blackfriars are not that far apart and a direct train from Clapham
Junction to Waterloo and a short bus ride would always win. There are only
three intermediate stations, and two of those are already served by the
Northern Line.


I'm also puzzled why no-one has ever built new platforms in Brixton
directly above the Beckenham Junction and Victoria platforms,
thereby providing a connection.

AIUI that's a very expensive project.

--
DAS

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:42:12 +0000
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 28/12/12 12:31, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:


So is much of north of the Thames. Places like Knightsbridge. Kensington
was a place that was difficult to get to because of the state of the
roads. When I was young West Ham was one of the largest towns in Essex.
Hammersmith was a place that rich stockbrokers lived because they liked
to be out in the country - why do you think *three* railways built lines
there from London?

The Gorbals was originally developed as an upmarket residential area for
rich Glaswegians who wanted to move out of the city centre.

Notting Hill in london started out as an upmarket Georgian area, then went
downmarket when all the immigrants moved in, now they're slowly buggering off
to turn somewhere else into a slum and the area had been going back upmarket
again since the 90s.

B2003

wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:42:12 +0000
The Real Doctor wrote:
On 28/12/12 12:31, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:


So is much of north of the Thames. Places like Knightsbridge. Kensington
was a place that was difficult to get to because of the state of the
roads. When I was young West Ham was one of the largest towns in Essex.
Hammersmith was a place that rich stockbrokers lived because they liked
to be out in the country - why do you think *three* railways built lines
there from London?

The Gorbals was originally developed as an upmarket residential area for
rich Glaswegians who wanted to move out of the city centre.

Notting Hill in london started out as an upmarket Georgian area, then went
downmarket when all the immigrants moved in, now they're slowly buggering off
to turn somewhere else into a slum and the area had been going back upmarket
again since the 90s.

That must apply to many other areas too, such as Islington. Of course, the
development of public transport networks massively changes the character of
an area (eg, Metroland).

On 28 Dec, 20:34, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:42:12 +0000
The Real Doctor wrote:

On 28/12/12 12:31, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

So is much of north of the Thames. Places like Knightsbridge. Kensington
was a place that was difficult to get to because of the state of the
roads. When I was young West Ham was one of the largest towns in Essex.
Hammersmith was a place that rich stockbrokers lived because they liked
to be out in the country - why do you think *three* railways built lines
there from London?

The Gorbals was originally developed as an upmarket residential area for
rich Glaswegians who wanted to move out of the city centre.

Notting Hill in london started out as an upmarket Georgian area, then went
downmarket when all the immigrants moved in, now they're slowly buggering off
to turn somewhere else into a slum and the area had been going back upmarket
again since the 90s.

B2003

Slowly buggering off because the resident landlords are unable to
exploit them as much as they can the people with deeper pockets.

Happy New year to you as well. NOT.