So much for a 4% rise
 

Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

B2003

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 4 Jan, 09:34, wrote:
Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

The week I started work in the West End (nineteen sixty something) the
fare from Waterloo to Piccadilly Circus was 3d (just over 1p). A week
later there was an increase. It went up to 6d (2.5p). I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. It went up to 6d (2.5p). I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about needing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to its
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so **** em.

B2003

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. *It went up to 6d (2.5p). *I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about needing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to its
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so **** em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:49:33 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. =A0It went up to 6d (2.5p). =A0I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about need=
ing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv=
!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to i=
ts
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so ****=
em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

Don't get me wrong - I don't find driving to work in the car enjoyable. The
north circular is a hideous road. But its cheaper , quicker, more comfortable
and far fewer abnormal delays. In fact the one time the road was completely
stuffed and I ended up crawling along in a 6 mile jam it was still a few
minutes quicker than the normal non delayed tube journey. For anything other
than into central london the tube is hopeless. As for the NLL which I tried
once, ye gods - a horse and cart would have been quicker!

B2003

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 2013-01-04 13:47:41 +0000, d said:

a horse and cart would have been quicker!

That's because a horse would take one look at you and bolt, ah.

E.

As a frequent and enthusiastic motorist, I agree that travelling by car is
usually cheaper, quicker and more comfortable. That's why I despise those
anti-motor car bigots who insist that no-one needs a motor car in London.

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad. Although TfL's
two enhancement projects have both turned out to be complete failures and
a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the A406 a fairly good road. Living in
Leyton, I am of course adjacent to the best stretch of the road.

So much for a 4% rise
 

In article , wrote:
Used the tube today - a 3.60 fare has gone up to 3.80. Thats 5.5%. Is there
some rule in LU that the fares have to be rounded up to the nearest 10 pence?
What the hell is the point of having a smartcard system if its less flexible
than cash? Useless money grabbing *******s.

You have to realise Boltar that you're above average in *every* respect,
not just those you assumed.

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

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"Robin9" wrote in message
...

d;135285 Wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:49:33 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:-
On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:-
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:-
later there was an increase. =A0It went up to 6d (2.5p). =A0I guess
TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!-

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about
need=-
ing-
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest
guv=-
!".-
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to
i=-
ts-
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so
****=-
em.-
-
One sympathises with your sentiment. From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.-

Don't get me wrong - I don't find driving to work in the car enjoyable.
The
north circular is a hideous road. But its cheaper , quicker, more
comfortable
and far fewer abnormal delays. In fact the one time the road was
completely
stuffed and I ended up crawling along in a 6 mile jam it was still a
few
minutes quicker than the normal non delayed tube journey. For anything
other
than into central london the tube is hopeless. As for the NLL which I
tried
once, ye gods - a horse and cart would have been quicker!

B2003

As a frequent and enthusiastic motorist, I agree that travelling by car
is
usually cheaper, quicker and more comfortable. That's why I despise
those
anti-motor car bigots who insist that no-one needs a motor car in
London.

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad. Although
TfL's
two enhancement projects have both turned out to be complete failures
and
a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the A406 a fairly good road.
Living in
Leyton, I am of course adjacent to the best stretch of the road.

precisely.

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are the
pits

tim

So much for a 4% rise
 

In message , at 11:20:20 on Sat, 5 Jan
2013, tim..... remarked:

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad.
Although TfL's two enhancement projects have both turned out to be
complete failures and a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the
A406 a fairly good road. Living in Leyton, I am of course adjacent
to the best stretch of the road.

precisely.

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits

Hence the meme that the traffic news saying "avoid the North Circular"
is futile, because anyone who can possibly avoid it, already is.
--
Roland Perry

So much for a 4% rise
 

When I used to use the NCR 4 evenings a week, it was shut between
Edmonton and Walthamstow approximately 3-5% of the time.

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits

Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.

A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers Green/New
Southgate scheme.

I bypass the Ealing Common section as much as possible and I have over the years
worked out a few useful avoiding routes. The A1 junction/Henly's Corner in my
experience is only really bad during the peak periods.

So much for a 4% rise
 

Robin9 wrote:
Barry Salter;135293 Wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:
-
Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits
-
Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.
A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the
A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight
squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new
layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers
Green/New
Southgate scheme.

Would there be any point in having a southbound flyover, given that the
road narrows in that direction anyway?

I think so. The A406 carriageway towards Ealing Common remains two lanes
wide for quite a distance, just enough I calculate to "land" a single lane
flyover with room for a lane leading off from the roundabout. Bear in mind that
most of the traffic at present leaving the roundabout for Ealing has come off
the A406. The benefit of such a flyover is that not only would it substantially
reduce the total number of vehicles using the roundabout but, more crucially,
it would reduce the number of vehicles stationary on the roundabout, stopped
by infernal traffic lights and thereby impeding the flow of other traffic. But, as
I said before, it would be a tight squeeze.

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 2013\01\06 11:31, Robin9 wrote:
Barry Salter;135293 Wrote:
On 05/01/2013 11:20, tim..... wrote:
-
Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits
-
Henlys Corner (the aforementioned junction with the A1) is pretty
reasonable since they completed the remodelling work...at least at the
times I usually pass through.

Hanger Lane needs...well...I'm not sure what could be done to make it
less worse really, given the presence of the A40 underpass as well.
A Gallows Corner type single-lane-in-each-direction flyover taking the
A406
over the roundabout would make a big difference. It would be a tight
squeeze
but it could just about be done.

My experience of Henly's Corner is that during the peak periods the new
layout
has not made any improvement. Exactly the same with the Palmers
Green/New
Southgate scheme.

Those schemes were not for cars but for pedestrians and cycles. If your
experience is as a car user, you were never intended to see any
improvement. I'd say they have made things worse, because I used to use
the right turn from Natal Road to Bowes Road as part of a route which
avoided the entire jam, and this is no longer allowed.

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 00:29:33 +0000
Robin9 wrote:
As a frequent and enthusiastic motorist, I agree that travelling by car
is
usually cheaper, quicker and more comfortable. That's why I despise
those
anti-motor car bigots who insist that no-one needs a motor car in
London.

They're usually the sort of people who live in the inner city and never need
or want to travel more than a few miles from their ghettos.

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad. Although
TfL's
two enhancement projects have both turned out to be complete failures
and
a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the A406 a fairly good road.
Living in
Leyton, I am of course adjacent to the best stretch of the road.

Well quite. But the sections near Bowes road , henleys corner and neasden are
disaster areas in the rush hour.

B2003

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 12:31:15 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:20:20 on Sat, 5 Jan
2013, tim..... remarked:

I am however surprised that you find the North Circular so bad.
Although TfL's two enhancement projects have both turned out to be
complete failures and a disgraceful waste of money, I still find the
A406 a fairly good road. Living in Leyton, I am of course adjacent
to the best stretch of the road.

precisely.

Try the section through Ealing and the junction with the A1, they are
the pits

Hence the meme that the traffic news saying "avoid the North Circular"
is futile, because anyone who can possibly avoid it, already is.

The main problem is that there are relatively few roads that bridge the met
line in north west longon which forces all the traffic that needs to go
east-west or west-east to use the 406 or be squeezed onto the few local
roads that also go over it.

B2003

With one proviso, I could not have put it better myself. The proviso:
the Palmers Green/New Southgate scheme was for the benefit of buses . . .
oh and of course, this being a TfL scheme, for the benefit of two suppliers of
traffic lights.

By the way, I too used to make that right turn out of Natal Road. I now turn
right at the bottom of Warwick Road.

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 4 Jan, 13:47, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:49:33 -0800 (PST)





77002 wrote:
On 4 Jan, 12:24, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:14:40 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
later there was an increase. =A0It went up to 6d (2.5p). =A0I guess TfL
and its predecessors never looked back!

No doubt back then they were coming out with the same old guff about need=
ing
it for service improvements which are "just around the corner! Honest guv=
!".
Arthur Daley would be embarrassed to do to his customers what TfL do to i=
ts
passengers on a daily basis. Still, I'm back in the car next week so ****=
em.

One sympathises with your sentiment. *From my perspective, my time in
the UK is enhanced by not driving.

Don't get me wrong - I don't find driving to work in the car enjoyable. The
north circular is a hideous road. But its cheaper , quicker, more comfortable
and far fewer abnormal delays. In fact the one time the road was completely
stuffed and I ended up crawling along in a 6 mile jam it was still a few
minutes quicker than the normal non delayed tube journey. For anything other
than into central london the tube is hopeless. As for the NLL which I tried
once, ye gods - a horse and cart would have been quicker!

It is interesting that you should mention the NLL. As of now I have
not used the SLL Overground or the Watford DC lines in their new
incarnation.

However, I have tried out the rest of the Overground. My opinion is
as follows: Eastern side of the system, those rotes coming in from
Croydon, et al, are the epitome of a modern urban railway, frequent
and reasonably fast. The NLL has refurbished stations and new trains,
but is slow. But, the NLL speed is almost sensible when compared with
the WLL. The amble from Clapham Junction thru Chelsea, Brompton,
Olympia, Shepherds Bush, et al is pitiful.

Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the
problem? Surely it is fixable?

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 04:24:37 -0800 (PST)
77002 wrote:
Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the

And the 10 - 15 minute wait for trains. And the fact that it doesn't
interchange with the northern (either branch), piccadilly or central line
at acton. Thats not TfLs fault but you'd have thought if they're really
selling this is a hub railway they'd have sorted something out by now.

B2003

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 7 Jan, 12:38, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 04:24:37 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
Other than speed the Overground is great system. *What is the

And the 10 - 15 minute wait for trains. And the fact that it doesn't
interchange with the northern (either branch), piccadilly or central line
at acton. Thats not TfLs fault but you'd have thought if they're really
selling this is a hub railway they'd have sorted something out by now.

AFIK an interchange with the Northern Line is not doable. The lack of
platforms where it passes the Central Line is inexcusable. That one
is low hanging fruit. What is the geography where the Overground
Crosses the Piccadilly? Would both lines need new platforms?

So much for a 4% rise
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 04:53:11 -0800 (PST), 77002
wrote:

On 7 Jan, 12:38, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 04:24:37 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
Other than speed the Overground is great system. *What is the

And the 10 - 15 minute wait for trains. And the fact that it doesn't
interchange with the northern (either branch), piccadilly or central line
at acton. Thats not TfLs fault but you'd have thought if they're really
selling this is a hub railway they'd have sorted something out by now.

AFIK an interchange with the Northern Line is not doable. The lack of
platforms where it passes the Central Line is inexcusable. That one
is low hanging fruit. What is the geography where the Overground
Crosses the Piccadilly? Would both lines need new platforms?

Yes

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 07/01/2013 12:24, 77002 wrote:

Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the
problem?

The rude and unhelpful staff at South West Trains?

I went to Bracknell station yesterday (about 14:15) to buy a ticket to
London Waterloo for today, but the machine informed me that it would not
sell ticets for tomorrow until after 15:00

So I got in the (long) queue for the only open counter.

15 minutes later, I was number two in the queue when the attendant (Paul
Carter, Shift Leader, according to his badge) announced that he was
closing, and that anybody remaining in the queue would have to buy their
ticket from the machine.

The guys in front walked away, so I explained to Mr Carter that the
machine wouldn't give me the ticket I needed.

"Tough" he replied, and pulled down the blinds.

Surely it is fixable?

Of course - when they legalise euthanasia.

So much for a 4% rise
 

"77002" wrote in message
...
On 7 Jan, 12:38, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 04:24:37 -0800 (PST)

77002 wrote:
Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the

And the 10 - 15 minute wait for trains. And the fact that it doesn't
interchange with the northern (either branch), piccadilly or central line
at acton. Thats not TfLs fault but you'd have thought if they're really
selling this is a hub railway they'd have sorted something out by now.

AFIK an interchange with the Northern Line is not doable. The lack of
platforms where it passes the Central Line is inexcusable.

There isn't any road access, and N Acton station is on the wrong side of the
main road for a walkway on railway land to be sensible. IMHO

tim

So much for a 4% rise
 

On 7 Jan, 15:53, "R. McGeddon" wrote:
On 07/01/2013 12:24, 77002 wrote:

Other than speed the Overground is great system. What is the
problem?

The rude and unhelpful staff at South West Trains?

SWT, nor their parent, operate the London Overground network.

I went to Bracknell station yesterday (about 14:15) to buy a ticket to
London Waterloo for today, but the machine informed me that it would not
sell tickets for tomorrow until after 15:00

I had no idea the Overground had reached Bracknell.

So I got in the (long) queue for the only open counter.

15 minutes later, I was number two in the queue when the attendant (Paul
Carter, Shift Leader, according to his badge) announced that he was
closing, and that anybody remaining in the queue would have to buy their
ticket from the machine.

The guys in front walked away, so I explained to Mr Carter that the
machine wouldn't give me the ticket I needed.

"Tough" he replied, and pulled down the blinds.

So you reported the SoB to SWT, right? I am sure they will apologise,
and maybe make amends. He might be reprimanded. I doubt they would
sack the SoB, the RMT would not be happy.

Surely it is fixable?

Of course - when they legalise euthanasia.

They already do it to babies.

Although the high patronage of the new Shepherds Bush station proves that
constructing it was a good idea, I must point out that previously the trains used
to sprint between North Pole Junction and Kensington Olympia. Ah, the high price
of progress!

So much for a 4% rise
 

"Robin9" wrote in message
...

Although the high patronage of the new Shepherds Bush station proves
that
constructing it was a good idea, I must point out that previously the
trains used
to print between North Pole Junction and Kensington Olympia. Ah, the
high price of progress!

I wish I'd known and taken a USB stick with me.

It would have saved me time upon arrival at the office.

There used to usually be a queue for a printer.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Touché. I'll edit my post and correct my typo.

So much for a 4% rise
 

"Robin9" wrote in message
...

'Brian Watson[_2_ Wrote:
;135397']"Robin9" wrote in message
...
-
Although the high patronage of the new Shepherds Bush station proves
that constructing it was a good idea, I must point out that previously
the
trains used to print between North Pole Junction and Kensington
Olympia. Ah, the
high price of progress!-

I wish I'd known and taken a USB stick with me.

It would have saved me time upon arrival at the office.

There used to usually be a queue for a printer.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Touché. I'll edit my post and correct my typo.

:-)

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."