In message , at 23:12:30 on Thu, 10
Jan 2013, Clive D. W. Feather remarked:

21. The station with the most platforms is Baker Street with 10 (Moorgate
also has 10 platforms but only six are used by Tube trains - others are
used by overground trains).

How about Waterloo, with 26?

They mean "station managed by LU, with the most platforms".

70. The first section of the Underground ran between Paddington (Bishop's
Road) and Farringdon Street. The same section now forms part of the Circle,
Hammersmith & City, and Metropolitan lines.

Not the Met.

According to TfL:

"The Metropolitan line runs from Aldgate to Amersham, with branches to
Chesham, Uxbridge and Watford covering 66.7km (41.5 miles)."

Or are you being pedantic about the Baker St-Paddington bit?
--
Roland Perry

We were about to embark at Dover, when
(Recliner) came up to me and whispered:

Are you seriously suggesting they should have celebrated the 150th
anniversary of a bit of unimportant Essex railway seven years ago?

No, but it is a bit disingenuous to do the same for a bit of unimportant
London railway now...

And anyway, what about the bits of "old" formation re-used by Docklands
and Tramlink... I don't see their 150th being celebrated.

The "tube" as we know it did not exist until 1933.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:52:04 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
I've certainly seen some people - old and young - really struggle to
coordinate their arms and legs to get on and off an escalator. They
almost cause accidents through their hesitancy.

Most women seem almost completely incapable of walking off the end of an
escalator normally.

B2003

In article ,
(Paul Cummins) wrote:

We were about to embark at Dover, when
(Recliner) came up to me and whispered:

Yes, but the London Underground (and the "Tube") is understood
to include the predecessor companies.

The entity known as London Underground now, the forerunner of which was
London Electric Railways (clue in the name) did not run steam services.

The Metropolitan Railway was always an independent line until 1933, when
it was finally subsumed. LER (London Underground, or "the Tube") never
ran underground steam services.

And anyway, technically, the first underground service was run not by LUL
or it's forerunners, but by FGW and it's forerunners.

If you only include the Met, then even the original 1863 route
isn't all part of the current Met line,

No, but it is part of the Hammersmith and City, so that is the "line"
that is celebrating it's 150th.

and so you presumably regard the upcoming steam runs as
bogus?

To a certain extent, ALL steam runs on commercial lines are now "bogus" -
doesn't stop them being either newsworthy or fun.

You are wrong saying the Metropolitan Railway was always an independent line
until 1933. Although the ownership was separate, it always ran the Inner
Circle jointly with the MDR.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Clive D.
W. Feather) wrote:

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
wrote:
6. Many tube stations were used as air-raid shelters during the Second
World War, but the Central Line was even converted into a fighter
aircraft factory that stretched for over two miles, with its own railway
system. Its existence remained an official secret until the 1980s.

That would be why it's mentioned in the 1947 "A History of London
Transport", then.

Typo: that should have said "1974".

I have here a 1971 reprint of "The story of London's Underground", published
in 1963, second revision 1969. It includes a photo of the Plessey
underground factory as plate 35.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Cummins) wrote:

The "tube" as we know it did not exist until 1933.

It depends what you mean by "tube". If the Underground system it began in
1863. If the true tubes, then in 1890.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Clive D.
W. Feather) wrote:

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
wrote:
6. Many tube stations were used as air-raid shelters during the Second
World War, but the Central Line was even converted into a fighter
aircraft factory that stretched for over two miles, with its own railway
system. Its existence remained an official secret until the 1980s.

That would be why it's mentioned in the 1947 "A History of London
Transport", then.

Typo: that should have said "1974".

I have here a 1971 reprint of "The story of London's Underground", published
in 1963, second revision 1969. It includes a photo of the Plessey
underground factory as plate 35.

Did some aspect of its work remain secret until the 1980s? I must admit, I
can't imagine why it would have done. It's not as if they were making
equipment for Bletchley Park (or were they)?

Am 11.01.2013 00:12, schrieb Clive D. W. Feather:

147. A 2011 study suggested 30 per cent of passengers take longer routes
due to the out-of-scale distances on the Tube map.

I'm very skeptical of that claim.

It may be true for the isolated case Paddington to Bond Street via Baker
Street/Notting Hill Gate: "Although the second route is considerably
slower (by about 15 per cent), some 30 per cent of travellers chose it,
Professor Guo found."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000847/30-passengers-longer-routes-Londons-Tube-map-misrepresents-distances-stations.html
--
Kai Borgolte, Bonn

In message , at 16:59:18 on Fri, 11
Jan 2013, Kai Borgolte remarked:
147. A 2011 study suggested 30 per cent of passengers take longer routes
due to the out-of-scale distances on the Tube map.

I'm very skeptical of that claim.

It may be true for the isolated case Paddington to Bond Street via
Baker Street/Notting Hill Gate: "Although the second route is
considerably slower (by about 15 per cent), some 30 per cent of
travellers chose it, Professor Guo found."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000847/30-passengers-longer-routes-Londons-Tube-map-misrepresents-distances-stations.html

As there's a sidebar with nine of the other "fascinating facts" in that
article I think we can conclude it's the source of the 30% figure.

However, it's by no means clear if the 30% is an overall figure (as
suggested at the start of the article)

"Experts who have studied the network, which has been growing
since 1863 when the Metropolitan line opened, have found that as
much as 30 per cent of the network's passengers take the 'wrong'
- or longer - route between two stations."

Or simply conflated with the figure from the later 'illustration' of
Paddington to Bond St.

So we'd have to read the full study (which does seem to be more than
just a handful of trips).
--
Roland Perry

"Kai Borgolte" wrote in message
...
Am 11.01.2013 00:12, schrieb Clive D. W. Feather:

147. A 2011 study suggested 30 per cent of passengers take longer routes
due to the out-of-scale distances on the Tube map.

I'm very skeptical of that claim.

It may be true for the isolated case Paddington to Bond Street via Baker
Street/Notting Hill Gate: "Although the second route is considerably
slower (by about 15 per cent), some 30 per cent of travellers chose it,
Professor Guo found."

I don't see that he can conclude that it's got anything to do with the
journey "looking" shorted. In the case of catching a train from Padd it
could easily be because access to the circle line platforms is simpler.

Here's another one:

What's the optimum route from Waterloo to King's Cross? The shortest route
on the ground (whichever way that is) or the cross platform connection at
Oxford Circus? And does knowledge about that connection make pax who go
this way count as the "wrong way" or does lack of
knowledge about the connection make pax who go another way count as the
"wrong way"?

tim