"jaychiu" wrote in message
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Thanks all for the suggestion.
Just sent at a post office: it is called Royal Mail recorded 1st or 2nd
class, Signed for. This is the standard postal service with signature
and barcode scanning on delivery.
Now I am waiting for the MPS to reply and hopefully with a confirmation
letter.

It seems a bit unfair that you have to prove your innocence in this matter.
I would have thought you ought to be able to quote the MPS incident log
number to TfL and make *them* do all the work.

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DAS

On 17/04/2013 19:31, Neil Williams wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

I'm not so sure. When the postman delivers a whole bag of mail to a large
user, don't you think he just crosses off all the "Recorded" items that
are believed to be enclosed, without individually correlating them. At
that point all the post is the same to the recipient, and indeed most
post-rooms will dispose of all the envelopes and lose the very fact it
was sent "signed for".

I doubt it, as the signature must be recorded.

In theory, but I have frequently had "signed for" letters delivered to
me at home without any attempt to obtain my signature.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

"Richard J." wrote:

In theory, but I have frequently had "signed for" letters delivered to me
at home without any attempt to obtain my signature.

There is now a Tracked service which doesn't need a signature. But if it
was Recorded the postman is not doing his job, and this would be
highlighted if the signature was recalled.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

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..net, at 18:31:58 on Wed, 17 Apr 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
I'm not so sure. When the postman delivers a whole bag of mail to a large
user, don't you think he just crosses off all the "Recorded" items that
are believed to be enclosed, without individually correlating them. At
that point all the post is the same to the recipient, and indeed most
post-rooms will dispose of all the envelopes and lose the very fact it
was sent "signed for".

I doubt it, as the signature must be recorded.

The signature is recorded by the postman, in a little book. The
recipient records nothing.

Large post rooms then dump all the letters into a letter-opening machine
and discard the envelopes. Smaller post rooms do the same by hand.
--
Roland Perry

It's a bit worrying but I genuinely hope that the letter will not be lost en route and that the MPS can send me the confirmation letter as evidence soon. Anyone knows typically how long does it take for the MPS to issue such a letter? or would it be feasible for me to drive down to London to request and then collect the letter on the same day?

In message , at 21:57:56 on Thu, 18
Apr 2013, jaychiu remarked:
Anyone knows typically how long does it take for the MPS
to issue such a letter?

If it's anything like the normal response to paperwork I'd allow at
least three weeks.

or would it be feasible for me to drive down to
London to request and then collect the letter on the same day?

The problem with that is knowing which bit of the MPS to visit, they
have numerous buildings. And then you'd have to in effect make an
appointment with the person issuing the letter, for them to hand it
over. Expecting to do all that on the same day is extremely ambitious.
--
Roland Perry

Thanks all for the information provided. I have received Tuesday last week the confirmation letter from the Metropolitan Police on the traffic diversion and then on Saturday last week attended the appeal (yes appeal down in London) against the charge raised by the Transport for London. I was told within a few minutes by the the adjudicator (a solicitor) that he would support my appealing.

Looking back the process of the whole case, it took me quite some time to call different bodies and write a few letters (including the last registered one) and a trip down to London from Birmingham. I guess the cost I paid could be well above £60 charge raised (originally was £12).

I could have speeded it up by sending registered letter to the Metropolitan Police directly rather than sending letter to a local police station. If I could receive the confirmation letter within the 21 days specified by the TfL, then I guess that they will accept the representation I've made and cancel the penalty charge. This is something we can do and will do if similar thing happens again (hope not) next time.

On the other hand, the TfL should have established a better link with the police so that the information on some temporary traffic diversion can be recorded once it has been raised, as it was in this case. Hope the TfL can have this point at their wish list in terms of service improvement in the future...

thanks again.