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On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:18:55 +0000, spud-u-dont-like wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in
how the roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then
they can put up or shut up.

Since "paying road tax" is the important factor, do low-CO2 cars, older
cars, and disabled drivers somehow carry lower priority in your view?

No.

So the whole "pay road tax" thing is a red herring, then. Glad we're
agreed.

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:39:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on
their cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've
had several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

Simple.

No VAT is payable on used cars, unless they've come straight from an
unbroken chain of VAT-registered businesses from new.

I didn't buy the new cars, they were leased company cars, bought by a VAT-
registered business. So the VAT was promptly reclaimed, and would have
been charged when the car was sold again.

The only person to pay VAT on any car is the first _private_ (or non-VAT-
reg business) owner.

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:25:04 -0500, rosenstiel wrote:

There hasn't been any road fund licence for decades either. The renewal
reminder sitting in front of me says "tax disc".

If we're going to be pedantic about terminology, it's actually called
"Vehicle Excise Duty"

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:43:11AM +0000, d wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:46:03 +0100 David Cantrell wrote:
Putting them on twisty routes through a busy city centre was stupid.
They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with narrow streets
I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and Boris claimed they had
in london. So either the europeans are all idiots or someone was telling
porkies to further their own agenda.

I wasn't thinking about the cycling lobby, but about them blocking
junctions because they're too damned long.

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:43:17PM +0000, d wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up or
shut up.

They do pay taxes which get spent on road building and maintenance.
Those taxes are called income tax, national insurance, VAT, booze duty,
and a whole load of other taxes. They even pay vehicle tax, because most
of them also have cars, and those that don't still use things that have
an element of vehicle tax in their prices, such as, well, anything sold
by any shop.

Hope that helps.

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:58:39PM +0000, d wrote:

Fair point. I have no issue with cycle paths, the more the merrier as it
keeps them off the road. Better for all concerned.

Of course, fitting such things into central London is ... well, we have
a special word for it.

That word is "impossible". All the space is already taken up by narrow
pavements and busy roads.

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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:57:04PM +0000, Adrian wrote:

There are bicycles out there on which the purchaser would pay a
considerably higher amount of VAT than they could on a new car.

Really? There exists a bicycle with a price tag over a million quid?

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In message , at 07:09:47
on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Irrespective of where bought, the price of a secondhand car will include
an element of 'handing down' a portion of the VAT paid when it was new.

Indeed, and in a sense, the second-hand price will reflect the current 20%
VAT rate, not the possibly lower rate levied on the car when t was new.

Not really in my price range. My current car is a T reg.

I agree it's just as likely to be the VAT rate when the car was new.
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In message , at 12:29:54 on Thu, 25 Jul
2013, Adrian remarked:
I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've
had several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

Simple.

No VAT is payable on used cars, unless they've come straight from an
unbroken chain of VAT-registered businesses from new.

I didn't buy the new cars, they were leased company cars, bought by a VAT-
registered business. So the VAT was promptly reclaimed, and would have
been charged when the car was sold again.

The only person to pay VAT on any car is the first _private_ (or non-VAT-
reg business) owner.

So your justification for saying you've never paid VAT on a car purchase
it that you've never purchased a car. That's a humdinger, even for
usenet.

ps According to the HMR&C site you'll have been paying 50% of the VAT on
the leasing charge.
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:46:32 +0100
David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:43:17PM +0000, d wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how
the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up
or
shut up.

They do pay taxes which get spent on road building and maintenance.
Those taxes are called income tax, national insurance, VAT, booze duty,
and a whole load of other taxes.

So what? We all pay those taxes. Are cyclists doing it out of the kindness
of their hearts and so should be given special dispensation not to have to
tax their bikes?

They even pay vehicle tax, because most of them also have cars,

God almighty , how often is this idiotic excuse going to keep coming up?
ALL vehicles should be taxed. Its the VEHICLE thats taxed , NOT the driver.
If you have 2 cars you have to tax both, so if you have a car and a bike you
should have to tax the car AND the bike. Got it?

Hope that helps.

You wish.

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Spud