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Roland Perry July 25th 13 02:40 PM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In message

..net, at 14:07:26 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".


Was this an Anytime Single, on which he would be wrong, or an Off Peak
Single, on which break of journey may be prohibited (and often is) by the
ticket restrictions?


The SVS Manchester-Reading (both via London and otherwise) allows BoJ.
--
Roland Perry

Neil Williams July 25th 13 07:01 PM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
.net, at 14:07:26 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".


Was this an Anytime Single, on which he would be wrong, or an Off Peak
Single, on which break of journey may be prohibited (and often is) by the
ticket restrictions?


The SVS Manchester-Reading (both via London and otherwise) allows BoJ.


In which case he was plain wrong.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

[email protected] July 25th 13 11:31 PM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:09:47 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013,
remarked:
Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]


Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from
the Network Rail web site.


Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?


The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

In the end, daughter's plane landed 20 minutes early, thereby avoiding the
problem. She's on the 00:04 from King's Cross as I write.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry July 26th 13 07:47 AM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In message , at 18:31:17
on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from
the Network Rail web site.


Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?


The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?


I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] July 26th 13 11:30 AM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:31:17 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013,
remarked:
Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable
from the Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?


The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?


I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.


Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry July 26th 13 12:01 PM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In message , at 06:30:53
on Fri, 26 Jul 2013, remarked:
I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?


I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.


Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.


I agree it's not an especially long change, even compared to things like
the Cambridge Island, especially if starting from platforms 1,2 & 3.

In practice, at Ely, a large number of changes are between platforms 2 &
3, across the island. The only trains using platform 1 are generally the
northbound through services, whereas the island gets all the southbound
through services plus the reversals PeterboroughNorwich.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] July 26th 13 08:31 PM

Silly 'break of journey' question
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
06:30:53 on Fri, 26 Jul 2013,
remarked:
I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.


Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.


I agree it's not an especially long change, even compared to things like
the Cambridge Island, especially if starting from platforms 1,2 & 3.


I'm sure Cambridge platforms 1,2 & 3 to 7 & 8 is a longer walk than at Ely.

In practice, at Ely, a large number of changes are between platforms
2 & 3, across the island. The only trains using platform 1 are
generally the northbound through services, whereas the island gets
all the southbound through services plus the reversals
PeterboroughNorwich.


I had to go to Manchester early one morning a couple of weeks ago. I was
expecting to get the 07:22 GA train which terminates at Ely on Platform 3A.
But, almost uniquely, the EMT train from Norwich to Liverpool I was
connecting into (07:45 at Ely) reverses in platform 1. I was early at
Cambridge so I got the 07:04 to Norwich so I could change on platform 1.

--
Colin Rosenstiel


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