Silly 'break of journey' question
 

I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly
check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

(For clarity, there's no complex interpretation of the routing guide
involved here, nor any cross-London tube transfer - though that needn't
make any difference so long as the BoJ isn't attempted in the middle of
a cross-London tube transfer journey.)

The point I'm making to my friend is that if they wanted to make an
A-B-C journey with a BoJ at B within the London zones, with the A-B
portion occurring in the morning peak, then actually buying a paper NR
ticket might be cheaper than paying 2x peak Oyster NR PAYG fares,
depending on the journeys in question.


Example... (all Oyster NR PAYG fares quoted are peak, charged on
weekdays between 0630-0930 and 1600-1900)

Surbiton to Clapham Junction with BoJ at Wimbledon.

Anytime Single (paper ticket) - £4.40

Surbiton to Wimbledon Oyster NR Peak fare - £3.20
Wimbledon to Clapham Jn Oyster NR Peak fare - £2.10
(Total of £5.30.)

Of course, when it comes to it, avoiding the morning rush hour
ticket-buying queues and zapping straight through with Oyster might be
worth 90p!

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing
who is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of
doubt to creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to
B in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a
day's fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home
(or go to the circus etc).

Similar problem I ran across asked by my daughter. She needs to come back
from Gatwick to Cambridge. As she flew out from Stansted she needs a single
ticket.

The problem is the flight arrival time is touch and go for catching the last
train with a connection that night to Cambridge. But the only GTW-CBG fare
is a day single as far as I can tell. So, can she get a ticket which allows
her complete her journey the next day, bearing in mind she may not know at
Gatwick which she will be doing?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

On 21/07/2013 22:11, wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

I think I've read conflicting info on this particular issue, but I
remember reading on the District Dave forum that in practice, LU staff
will let people out of a station (at least within central London) if
they ask. That said, it's certainly not the intention of the
cross-London tube transfer ticketing arrangements to facilitate this.

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 21/07/2013 22:11, wrote:

(Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing
who is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of
doubt to creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip
from B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

I think I've read conflicting info on this particular issue, but I
remember reading on the District Dave forum that in practice, LU
staff will let people out of a station (at least within central
London) if they ask. That said, it's certainly not the intention of
the cross-London tube transfer ticketing arrangements to facilitate
this.

I was refused exit at Goodge Street on a cross-London ticket once and told
in no uncertain terms that I could only go to and from main line stations. I
went back to Euston and exited there without problems.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

wrote in message
...
In article

, (Neil Williams) wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just
quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B
in the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's
fun etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to
the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing
London as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip
from
B to the relevant London terminal to continue.

You can't even exit the tube at a station that isn't on the list for
cross-London journeys.

yes you can

the rules specifically allow this, but you have to argue your case at the
manual exit and most staff don't know the rule

tim

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 16:01:34
on Sun, 21 Jul 2013, remarked:
Similar problem I ran across asked by my daughter. She needs to come back
from Gatwick to Cambridge. As she flew out from Stansted she needs a single
ticket.

The problem is the flight arrival time is touch and go for catching the last
train with a connection that night to Cambridge. But the only GTW-CBG fare
is a day single as far as I can tell. So, can she get a ticket which allows
her complete her journey the next day, bearing in mind she may not know at
Gatwick which she will be doing?

The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by midday
the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about any
difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
16:01:34 on Sun, 21 Jul 2013, remarked:
Similar problem I ran across asked by my daughter. She needs to come back
from Gatwick to Cambridge. As she flew out from Stansted she needs a
single ticket.

The problem is the flight arrival time is touch and go for catching the
last train with a connection that night to Cambridge. But the only
GTW-CBG fare is a day single as far as I can tell. So, can she get a
ticket which allows her complete her journey the next day, bearing in
mind she may not know at Gatwick which she will be doing?

The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets must be
used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the following day.".
The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles, "Valid 1 day
only".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Offpeak for railcard, was Silly 'break of journey' question
 

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:17:24 +0100, wrote:

In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
16:01:34 on Sun, 21 Jul 2013, remarked:
Similar problem I ran across asked by my daughter. She needs to come
back
from Gatwick to Cambridge. As she flew out from Stansted she needs a
single ticket.

The problem is the flight arrival time is touch and go for catching the
last train with a connection that night to Cambridge. But the only
GTW-CBG fare is a day single as far as I can tell. So, can she get a
ticket which allows her complete her journey the next day, bearing in
mind she may not know at Gatwick which she will be doing?

The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets must
be
used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the following
day.".
The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles, "Valid 1
day
only".


slight change of topic - when does off peak for a network railcard finish?
(begins at 10am during the week)
--

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 08:17:24
on Mon, 22 Jul 2013, remarked:
The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets must be
used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the following day.".
The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles, "Valid 1 day
only".

But modified by the BoJ rule quoted?

As for your immediate issue, why not buy the most appropriate tickets
once landside at Gatwick?
--
Roland Perry

Offpeak for railcard, was Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 15:07:20 on Mon, 22 Jul
2013, the_dog remarked:

slight change of topic - when does off peak for a network railcard
finish? (begins at 10am during the week)

The T&C say "after 10am", and usually the railway day ends at around
4am.
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
08:17:24 on Mon, 22 Jul 2013, remarked:
The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets must
be used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the following
day.". The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles,
"Valid 1 day only".

But modified by the BoJ rule quoted?

You tell me! I'm quoting the TOC web site.

As for your immediate issue, why not buy the most appropriate tickets
once landside at Gatwick?

Time may be a problem in terms of getting a ticket so advance purchase may
be the only way to get back to Cambridge on the night.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 17:37:54
on Mon, 22 Jul 2013, remarked:
The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets must
be used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the following
day.".

That's wrong, because of the not-being-able-to-complete condition I
quoted earlier.

The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles,
"Valid 1 day only".

Or until 4.30am the next day, of course.

But modified by the BoJ rule quoted?

You tell me! I'm quoting the TOC web site.

If it really is an Anytime Day Single, it should be OK, but it's
difficult to know who to ask to confirm this.

As for your immediate issue, why not buy the most appropriate tickets
once landside at Gatwick?

Time may be a problem in terms of getting a ticket so advance purchase may
be the only way to get back to Cambridge on the night.

"purchasing in advance" please. 'advance purchase' is a completely
different type of ticket.
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
17:37:54 on Mon, 22 Jul 2013, remarked:
The regular single has "no restrictions", which I think means that
section 16(ii) of the NCoC isn't over-riden, viz:

"stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete
your journey within one day"

Some tickets have a condition that you must resume the journey by
midday the second day, but not apparently this one.

I agree that as a "Day single" it could be argued that the validity
expires overnight anyway, but the National Rail site is silent about
any difference between "anytime", and "day" singles...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...pes/46550.aspx

Not on that link it isn't. "Anytime Day (Single and Return) tickets
must be used on the date shown on your ticket and up to 04:29 the
following day.".

That's wrong, because of the not-being-able-to-complete condition I
quoted earlier.

The trouble is that my daughter will have difficulty relying on that when
the official output from train companies says something else. How can she
get confirmation that her ticket will be valid before arriving at Gatwick?

The only standard class fares offered are Anytime Day Singles,
"Valid 1 day only".

Or until 4.30am the next day, of course.

Indeed. I understand "1 day only" to mean that.

But modified by the BoJ rule quoted?

You tell me! I'm quoting the TOC web site.

If it really is an Anytime Day Single, it should be OK, but it's
difficult to know who to ask to confirm this.

The nub of the problem.

As for your immediate issue, why not buy the most appropriate tickets
once landside at Gatwick?

Time may be a problem in terms of getting a ticket so advance purchase
may be the only way to get back to Cambridge on the night.

"purchasing in advance" please. 'advance purchase' is a completely
different type of ticket.

Yes, yes. You know what I meant!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In Neil Williams writes:

Mizter T wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

--
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Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl
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Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 19:17:25 on Wed, 24 Jul
2013, Charles Lindsey remarked:
I'm 99.9% sure of this, but after advising a friend about ticketing who
is highly doubtful of my advice, I've stupidly allowed 0.1% of doubt to
creep in, so as a belt-and-braces measure I thought I'd just quickly check here.

If one buy an Anytime single ticket from A to C, one can travel A to B in
the morning, go and do a day's work (or indeed go and 'do' a day's fun
etc), then travel from B to C in the evening and go home (or go to the circus etc).

Yes. The one exception is that if B is a Tube station when crossing London
as part of the ticket, you have to pay for the extra Tube trip from B to
the relevant London terminal to continue.

Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

What nonsense. Where do they get these people from?

Getting back to the overnight BoJ (because the journey is impossible to
complete) there's a degree of interpretation in that I suppose.

Here's a real example: Sheffield to Liverpool St via Ely (which is a
permitted route).

The last train from Ely to Liverpool St is the 22.15, change Cambridge,
arriving 00:18, which might be a bit late for some people - depending on
where they were planning on sleeping overnight.

The last train (on which a through ticket is valid) from Sheffield to
Ely arrives at 22:11, so it could be argued that you should never have
to "overnight" at Ely.

Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL from
the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4 minutes I'd
have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at Ely,
so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge would have
taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich, and the
Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their shift with a
short hop to Cambridge.]
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

Getting back to the overnight BoJ (because the journey is impossible
to complete) there's a degree of interpretation in that I suppose.

Here's a real example: Sheffield to Liverpool St via Ely (which is a
permitted route).

The last train from Ely to Liverpool St is the 22.15, change
Cambridge, arriving 00:18, which might be a bit late for some people
- depending on where they were planning on sleeping overnight.

The last train (on which a through ticket is valid) from Sheffield to
Ely arrives at 22:11, so it could be argued that you should never
have to "overnight" at Ely.

Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]

Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from the
Network Rail web site.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 07:09:47
on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]

Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from the
Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

"Charles Lindsey" wrote:

Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

Was this an Anytime Single, on which he would be wrong, or an Off Peak
Single, on which break of journey may be prohibited (and often is) by the
ticket restrictions?

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message

..net, at 14:07:26 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

Was this an Anytime Single, on which he would be wrong, or an Off Peak
Single, on which break of journey may be prohibited (and often is) by the
ticket restrictions?

The SVS Manchester-Reading (both via London and otherwise) allows BoJ.
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
.net, at 14:07:26 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Well that's not what the ticket clerk at our local station told me when I
asked whether I could book a ticket from Manchester to Reading via London,
and then break my journey for an afternoon at Bletchley.

He said break of journey was only allowed if you claimed to be too ill to
proceed without the break. Emphasis on the word "claimed".

Was this an Anytime Single, on which he would be wrong, or an Off Peak
Single, on which break of journey may be prohibited (and often is) by the
ticket restrictions?

The SVS Manchester-Reading (both via London and otherwise) allows BoJ.

In which case he was plain wrong.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:09:47 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Modulo the minimum interchange time which seems to have gone AWOL
from the National Rail site, but is unlikely to be as little as 4
minutes I'd have thought.

[Although of course, these two trains used to be a guaranteed
connection, because both being run by Central they swapped crew at
Ely, so that the Norwich crew from the train bound for Cambridge
would have taken the ex-Liverpool/Sheffield train onwards to Norwich,
and the Liverpool/Sheffield train's crew would have finished their
shift with a short hop to Cambridge.]

Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from
the Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

In the end, daughter's plane landed 20 minutes early, thereby avoiding the
problem. She's on the 00:04 from King's Cross as I write.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 18:31:17
on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable from
the Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.
--
Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:31:17 on Thu, 25 Jul 2013, remarked:
Ely is 6 minutes in Table 17 of the GBTT which is still obtainable
from the Network Rail web site.

Thanks for that.

I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.

Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In message , at 06:30:53
on Fri, 26 Jul 2013, remarked:
I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.

Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.

I agree it's not an especially long change, even compared to things like
the Cambridge Island, especially if starting from platforms 1,2 & 3.

In practice, at Ely, a large number of changes are between platforms 2 &
3, across the island. The only trains using platform 1 are generally the
northbound through services, whereas the island gets all the southbound
through services plus the reversals PeterboroughNorwich.
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Roland Perry

Silly 'break of journey' question
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
06:30:53 on Fri, 26 Jul 2013, remarked:
I wonder when these numbers disappeared from the National Rail site?

The National Rail site is a huge behemoth. Whereabouts were they?

I'm pretty sure they were in the "station information" (maybe in the
"ticket buying" section):

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/ELY/details.html

Which compounds the felony (for Ely, anyway) by having a splash on it
saying you should allow plenty of time, but not saying what "plenty"
means.

Not good, I agree. The splash is because they think platform changes take
longer via the subway for some reason.

I agree it's not an especially long change, even compared to things like
the Cambridge Island, especially if starting from platforms 1,2 & 3.

I'm sure Cambridge platforms 1,2 & 3 to 7 & 8 is a longer walk than at Ely.

In practice, at Ely, a large number of changes are between platforms
2 & 3, across the island. The only trains using platform 1 are
generally the northbound through services, whereas the island gets
all the southbound through services plus the reversals
PeterboroughNorwich.

I had to go to Manchester early one morning a couple of weeks ago. I was
expecting to get the 07:22 GA train which terminates at Ely on Platform 3A.
But, almost uniquely, the EMT train from Norwich to Liverpool I was
connecting into (07:45 at Ely) reverses in platform 1. I was early at
Cambridge so I got the 07:04 to Norwich so I could change on platform 1.

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Colin Rosenstiel