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Jonathan Osborne January 30th 04 03:29 AM

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The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light rail
project:

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/

I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:

http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg

I think you'll like it ;)


Jonathan



Brian Watson January 30th 04 07:17 AM

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"Jonathan Osborne" wrote in message
...
The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light rail
project:

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/

I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:

http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg

I think you'll like it ;)


When does its Docklands extension open and will there be interchange
facilities at Piccadilly Circus?

CLUE: ==========
--
Brian
"Let's be grateful for our Fridays and face our Mondays with good humour."



Ian Davidson February 2nd 04 08:41 AM

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"Jonathan Osborne" wrote in message ...
The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light rail
project:

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/

I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:

http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg

I think you'll like it ;)


Jonathan



Excellent!! They could do a lot worse than pay you a royalty and
adopt your solution.

james007 February 3rd 04 12:18 AM

Hiawatha Line
 
In article ,
(Ian Davidson) wrote:

The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light
rail
project:
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/
I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:
http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg


Excellent!! They could do a lot worse than pay you a royalty and
adopt your solution.


Why?

Jonathan's managed to strip all geographical cues out of this, and a
Beck-style diagram for a one-line system is pointless.

I suspect that he, and you, don't understand why Beck designed his diagram
the way he did; but please don't give the guy a plaudit for badly
ripping-off someone else's work.

j

Tom Anderson February 3rd 04 05:37 PM

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, james007 wrote:

In article ,
(Ian Davidson) wrote:

The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light
rail
project:
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/
I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:
http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg


Excellent!! They could do a lot worse than pay you a royalty and
adopt your solution.


Why?


Well, if they were really intent on doing a lot worse, they could print it
upside-down and leave the station names off :).

Jonathan's managed to strip all geographical cues out of this,


No he hasn't - it's still got bends in roughly the right places.

and a Beck-style diagram for a one-line system is pointless.


I think i agree - a map like the on-board maps (basically just a straight
line) would be better.

I suspect that he, and you, don't understand why Beck designed his diagram
the way he did;


Come to think of it, nor do i; i'd assumed it was basically the best way
to lay out a correct topological map (ie if you have lines and crossings,
there is no simpler way). Is there more to it than that?

but please don't give the guy a plaudit for badly ripping-off someone
else's work.


Oh come off it - it's hardly like he's claiming he's invented that layout,
is it? It's a deliberate homage to the mother of all metro maps, and it's
both usable and nice-looking.

Anyway, on the subject:

http://www.delhimetrorail.com/home/sphase1.jpg

If the Blue Line were Green, it'd be a dead ringer for the Central/East
London/District line system - ON ACID!

tom

--
Fitter, Happier, More Productive.


Jonathan Osborne February 3rd 04 09:00 PM

Hiawatha Line
 

"james007" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Ian Davidson) wrote:

The Hiawatha Line is opening 3 April in Minneapolis. It's a light
rail
project:
http://www.dot.state.mn.us/metro/lrt/
I didn't care too much for their map, so I made my own:
http://ae.ath.cx/hiawatha/hiawatha.jpg


Excellent!! They could do a lot worse than pay you a royalty and
adopt your solution.


Why?

Jonathan's managed to strip all geographical cues out of this, and a
Beck-style diagram for a one-line system is pointless.

I suspect that he, and you, don't understand why Beck designed his diagram
the way he did; but please don't give the guy a plaudit for badly
ripping-off someone else's work.

j



Lighten up, james. I did it for fun and to make the map look more like the
Tube's (obviously). It has nothing to do with "understanding why Beck
designed his diagram" or anything else you said.

It was fun, and you're the only person who complained. Don't ruin it
please.

J.O.



Robin May February 3rd 04 10:59 PM

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Tom Anderson wrote the following in:


Anyway, on the subject:

http://www.delhimetrorail.com/home/sphase1.jpg

If the Blue Line were Green, it'd be a dead ringer for the
Central/East London/District line system - ON ACID!


One of the reasons I like the tube better than most other equivalents
is because we gave the lines proper names! "Jubilee line" sounds much
better than "Grey line" and as for the Docklands Light Railway, that's
immeasurably better than "bluey green with a white gap in the middle
line".

--
message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law.
The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC!

Crime is confusing.

james007 February 4th 04 01:44 AM

Hiawatha Line
 
In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

but please don't give the guy a plaudit for badly ripping-off someone
else's work.


Oh come off it - it's hardly like he's claiming he's invented that
layout,
is it? It's a deliberate homage to the mother of all metro maps, and
it's both usable and nice-looking.


It's *less* usable than their original map.

Look at his map, and tell me where I94 is. (Between Franklin Avenue and
Cedar). Where is VA Medical Centre Station? (Near E54th).

Now, look at their map of the test area for the answers:
http://www.metrocouncil.org/transit/...rea-mapbig.gif

A map is there to make life easier, not harder. The Beck diagram distorts
geography to make a complicated interchange system easier to see, follow,
and understand. There is no point for a one-line system like this - which
even follows straight roads for much of its distance! - to be subject to a
Beckian treatment.

The author says what it is - a little bit of fun. That's a fine reason to
do something. However, to claim that the Metro Council's Transit
department should junk their maps for this one, as you did, is both naive
and unrealistic.

(The author should note that there are no angles on the Beck map - changes
of line direction are achieved with a rounded corner, not a sharp turn;
and that, by and large, distances between stations are equal both
horizontally and vertically. In particular, the gap between Fort Snelling
and the Medical Center is disproportionately large - as are most on the
vertical section.)


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