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Roland Perry October 28th 13 08:52 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 09:33:24 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Graeme Wall remarked:
ps. I'm getting "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable" from the NationalRail
site now.


I can get the journey planner page


It's right on the edge, some bits working and some not. I got the SWT
amended service announcement (which is what failed earlier) when I tried
again just now:

"No trains will run before 11:00 at the earliest, and in some cases this
may be significantly later. "

"There will be no service between:

Ascot and Ash Vale
Salisbury and Bristol
Virginia Water and Weybridge
Windsor & Eton Riverside and London Waterloo

"A very limited service will run later today between:

Aldershot and Guildford
Chessington branch
Hampton Court branch
Shepperton branch

"All other routes will run to revised timetables.

but it hangs when I try and get a train from Southampton. Presumably
can't cope with the load.


Not helped by having failed to turn off all the advertising and other
nonsense, which is pretty basic stuff for days like today.

FCC, on the other hand, admit their server wasn't coping, and have
activated their contingency plan:

"We are currently experiencing severe technical issues with the
performance of this website and as such have reverted to an emergency
homepage."
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry October 28th 13 09:25 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 09:35:17 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, tony sayer remarked:
In the north of Cambs, the highest wind speed is at 9am (under the Met
Office's 3hr granularity). 26mph gusting 45mph, which is quite a bit
lower maximum than for London (eg 33/60 at Heathrow at 6am).
==========================

I really wouldn't take that as gospel - the UKMO warnings system tends
to be a few hours out of date.


A remarkably accurate prediction though... both the timing and the wind
speeds (see below).

It's OK, I went and did my errands, the ones people were advising
against, and didn't encounter any bad weather. Back home now.


I came back via Cambridge by car, very little traffic. Winds about 20/35
according to the chart for yesterday, below. No rain.

Not to bad up here in Cambridge peaked at 50 knots just before 8 this
morning.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg...raph.cgi?today


--
Roland Perry

Peter Smyth[_2_] October 28th 13 09:58 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 08:35:35 on Mon, 28
Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked:
Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex,


Essex?

32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex,


Or is that Essex?


I'd plump for the 16 being Essex.


No, I think they mean Wessex (basically the SWT network) as
Kent/Sussex/Wessex are the three routes that the old Southern Region is
divided into for Network Rail management purposes.

Peter Smyth



Graeme Wall October 29th 13 06:30 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
On 28/10/2013 22:58, Peter Smyth wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 08:35:35 on Mon, 28
Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked:
Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex,

Essex?

32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex,

Or is that Essex?


I'd plump for the 16 being Essex.


No, I think they mean Wessex (basically the SWT network) as
Kent/Sussex/Wessex are the three routes that the old Southern Region is
divided into for Network Rail management purposes.


If you notice Wessex was mentioned twice and Essex not at all. It was
reasonable to assume one of them was a typo.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Roland Perry October 29th 13 07:02 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 22:58:59 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Peter Smyth remarked:
Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex,

Essex?

32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex,

Or is that Essex?


I'd plump for the 16 being Essex.


No, I think they mean Wessex (basically the SWT network) as
Kent/Sussex/Wessex are the three routes that the old Southern Region is
divided into for Network Rail management purposes.


If the 16 is Wessex, what region had 37 trees down?
--
Roland Perry

Richard J.[_3_] October 29th 13 08:09 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
Roland Perry wrote on 29 October 2013 08:02:10 ...
In message , at 22:58:59 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Peter Smyth remarked:
Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex,

Essex?

32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex,

Or is that Essex?

I'd plump for the 16 being Essex.


No, I think they mean Wessex (basically the SWT network) as
Kent/Sussex/Wessex are the three routes that the old Southern Region is
divided into for Network Rail management purposes.


If the 16 is Wessex, what region had 37 trees down?


According to SWT, "nearly half of the more than 100 fallen trees which
have affected the UK rail network have come down on tracks used by South
West Trains services". So it's likely that 37 was the Wessex figure.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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Roland Perry October 29th 13 09:25 AM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 09:09:32 on Tue, 29 Oct 2013,
Richard J. remarked:
Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex,

Essex?

32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex,

Or is that Essex?

I'd plump for the 16 being Essex.

No, I think they mean Wessex (basically the SWT network) as
Kent/Sussex/Wessex are the three routes that the old Southern Region is
divided into for Network Rail management purposes.


If the 16 is Wessex, what region had 37 trees down?


According to SWT, "nearly half of the more than 100 fallen trees which
have affected the UK rail network have come down on tracks used by
South West Trains services". So it's likely that 37 was the Wessex
figure.


I agree that the southwest was reportedly one of the worst-hit regions.

Is that another vote for the "16" being Essex?
--
Roland Perry

General October 30th 13 05:16 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
If anyone is interested to see an objective summary of the storm's
development and progress then please see:

http://www.geologywales.co.uk/storms/autumn13b.htm

NB This is a rather large blog post starting off with a number of unrelated
phtos etc. But if you jump about 2/3 of the way down to the section that
starts 'So to the major storm of October 28th...' and just before the
weather maps you'll find the analytical details that relate to the storm.
It's semi-technical but still fairly readable by any interested lay person.
(Link originally posted in uk.sci.weather)

JGD


tim...... October 30th 13 06:38 PM

Storm St Jude...
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:13:57 +0000, Mizter T
wrote:

Sounds like it could get ugly.

Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast,
c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the
case may be).

This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid
autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any
autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer
trees as well.


No Southern trains apparently until 0900 or 1000.

No SWT trains until at least 0800 and some services won't operate at
all.

No declaration from South Eastern but warnings of doom.


SE covered themselves in Glory - not

They canceled all of their trains on most of their routes [1] but forgot to
update the live timetable properly (doesn't that happen automatically?)

So people turned up at the station, often by taxi from adjacent stations
saying, I've even told by NRE that the 10:28 from here is running, only to
find out that it wasn't

tim

[1] Ashford to St P was the only service for most of the morning




[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 16:37:02 on Sun, 27
Oct 2013, Derek F remarked:

In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound.


I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down
the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning
collection.


Not in Cambridge then? Wheelie bins came in later that year.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
07:21:46 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at
Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport.
And it's not even OHL related.


The WCML is running (with disruption due to a tree at Bushey). Why
are we different from FCC north I wonder?


The Fen Line is all-cancelled (as are all Greater Anglia's services).
The only thing running in Cambs seems to be the XC
Stansted-Birmingham, which are being turned at Cambridge.

Thameslink-north would need a special timetable, as the trains are
running to/from south of the river (where again everything seems to
be cancelled), and presumably they don't have such a plan.


I suspect there are problems between Bedford and St Pancras. They won't have
a timetable for that.

EMT seem to be running a shuttle service from Bedford to the north on
the Midland Mainline, but without FCC to connect to, all will do is
create a lot of business for the buffet at Bedford. (The LM service
to Bletchley is running but that's an awful slow way to get to
London).


My daughter's 11:03 VT EUS-BHM got away 20 minutes late and was last
reported at Leighton Buzzard 34 late.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:52:31 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at
Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport.
And it's not even OHL related.


The WCML is running (with disruption due to a tree at Bushey). Why
are we different from FCC north I wonder?


No Virgin Trains services from Euston my daughter tells me. She is booked on
the 11:00.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 16:04:45
on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:

No Southern trains apparently until 0900 or 1000.


Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at
Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport.
And it's not even OHL related.


Gatwick will have flights in the morning? I doubt it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

I wonder if things are getting a bit fraught at some of the stations?
FCC just tweeted (their caps): "We urge you NOT TO TRAVEL TO THE
STATION as we are not running any services until further notice"


Euston seem to be coping.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] October 31st 13 12:22 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In article ,
(Graeme Wall) wrote:

On 28/10/2013 09:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:53:36 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Graeme Wall remarked:

SWT are still going for a nine o'clock start.


Not any mo

"UPDATED AT 08:51

We have found in excess of 30 trees blocking lines across our network.

We will be operating a significantly reduced timetable on Monday. It is
highly unlikely that trains will run before 1100 at the earliest"

ps. I'm getting "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable" from the NationalRail
site now.


I can get the journey planner page but it hangs when I try and get a
train from Southampton. Presumably can't cope with the load. Not
helped by silly buggers, like me, just looking to see if it is
working.


The only useful site that seems to be working is realtimetrains.co.uk.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry October 31st 13 06:16 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 08:22:46
on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, remarked:
In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound.


I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down
the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning
collection.


Not in Cambridge then? Wheelie bins came in later that year.


Brentwood, roughly in the middle of my time working at Amstrad.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry October 31st 13 06:19 PM

Storm St Jude...
 
In message , at 08:22:47
on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, remarked:
No Southern trains apparently until 0900 or 1000.


Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at
Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport.
And it's not even OHL related.


Gatwick will have flights in the morning? I doubt it.


I didn't look at Gatwick on Monday, but Heathrow was working pretty well
with just a few short-haul flights cancelled (which is their standard
contingency plan).
--
Roland Perry


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