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Storm St Jude...
Sounds like it could get ugly.
Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. |
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In message , at 13:13:57 on Sun, 27 Oct
2013, Mizter T remarked: Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. I agree. I remember the 1987 storm, and the smaller one in Jan 1990 which was actually more of an inconvenience (both for my personal transport needs and for domestic electricity supply). Like 1990, this one is apparently going to be in the daytime, which makes it more disruptive than the 1987 one which was at night. I've changed my plans and will be doing some errands this evening that were pencilled in for Monday morning, and stay at home tomorrow. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:12:21 on
Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Paul Corfield remarked: I suggest you check the weather forecast again. The storm is scheduled overnight not during daylight hours. I am amazed given the never ending hype about the storm that you've got the time wrong! I haven't, the winds have been getting later and later quite consistently. (The rain will precede the winds by a few hours though, but it's the winds that are more likely to affect transport and electricity). I've changed my plans and will be doing some errands this evening that were pencilled in for Monday morning, and stay at home tomorrow. I suggest you review your plans then. I suggest you re-check the forecast! The Amber Warning for London doesn't even come into force until 3am tomorrow morning. In the north of Cambs, the highest wind speed is at 9am (under the Met Office's 3hr granularity). 26mph gusting 45mph, which is quite a bit lower maximum than for London (eg 33/60 at Heathrow at 6am). -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...
In the north of Cambs, the highest wind speed is at 9am (under the Met Office's 3hr granularity). 26mph gusting 45mph, which is quite a bit lower maximum than for London (eg 33/60 at Heathrow at 6am). ========================== I really wouldn't take that as gospel - the UKMO warnings system tends to be a few hours out of date. Also, this is a low that's still evolving and its exact development and track still retains a significant degree of uncertainty, even now. As far as one can tell, it looks like the low will zip across the country more quickly than some models were suggesting a day or so back with max gusts eg in Ely probably around 0300-0400. But that's still 12 hours away (and subject to change with this sort of system that even the high-res models have trouble in handling). For latest information you could always check through this thread later on this evening: http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/foru...al-storm-chat/ (Sorry - rather OT here, but since I happened to be having a quick browse...) JGD |
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On 27/10/2013 13:13, Mizter T wrote:
Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. I'm in East Sussex and our trees are still green. That was the problem with the Big Storm as the trees had a canopy of wet leaves. Derek. |
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On 27/10/2013 13:13, Mizter T wrote:
Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. Nice idea but there's not that much in the way of autumn colours round here yet! -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 27/10/2013 13:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:13:57 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Mizter T remarked: Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. I agree. I remember the 1987 storm, and the smaller one in Jan 1990 which was actually more of an inconvenience (both for my personal transport needs and for domestic electricity supply). Like 1990, this one is apparently going to be in the daytime, which makes it more disruptive than the 1987 one which was at night. I've changed my plans and will be doing some errands this evening that were pencilled in for Monday morning, and stay at home tomorrow. In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. The lights were out. I used my lighter to get down stairs to find a box of candles. A hundred year old apple tree had come down blocking the back door and French windows and the dog excitedly wanted to go out. Derek. |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... In message , at 13:13:57 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Mizter T remarked: Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. I agree. I remember the 1987 storm, and the smaller one in Jan 1990 which was actually more of an inconvenience (both for my personal transport needs and for domestic electricity supply). Like 1990, this one is apparently going to be in the daytime, which makes it more disruptive than the 1987 one which was at night. I remember being on the 10th (top) floor of the ICL tower block in Bracknell during the 1990 storm. I swear the building was swaying slightly - certainly coats on a coat-rack well away from the windows were swaying. And the aluminium window frames were rattling like crazy. I worked with a disabled guy who was allowed to park in a special place beside a 15-foot high 100-yard long brick wall that separated a path from the loading bay. That lunchtime he'd been out and found a lorry parked in his space so he'd parked in the normal car-park. And he was very glad - later that afternoon the whole wall collapsed, right onto where his car would have been :-( I noticed that when the wall was later rebuilt, it was much more substantial, with buttresses every so often and a double course of bricks with some through bricks - they were taking no chances of it every happening again. The 1987 one was very frightening: my house was a few hundred yards from the thick pine forest just south of the railway line between Bracknell and Ascot, and I could hear the crack and crash as one tree after another fell over. Interestingly, many of the trees had snapped off low down and then the top bit had landed, still fairly vertical, to one side, rather than them being horizontal as I'd imagined. I earned a lot of brownie points as I was one of relatively few people who made it into work that morning, having walked a couple of miles after deciding that the local roads were so clogged with stationary traffic that it wasn't worth even *trying* to drive. My wife was living in Worcestershire at the time (long before we met) and did not have a TV so she never saw a news report. And it wasn't until several months later when she say huge gaps in woodland when she went to visit somewhere in the south east that she even *heard* that there'd been a great gale and that it had devastated huge areas of woodland. She'd been far enough north west to avoid the effect of the gale and had never seen/heard anything on the news, though it's surprising that no-one she worked with, who may have seen a news, mentioned about it at the time. |
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:13:57 +0000, Mizter T
wrote: Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. A huge storm was always a problem, but many years ago the railways kept lineside trees trimmed to minimise possible disruptions. Today? No such precautions. Guy Gorton |
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I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen
trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Faced with 2 options - eg: a. say we'll try to tun trains as normal but there may be severe delays/cancellations then get loads of complaints when some trains are delayed/cancelled; or b. announce there'll be no trains until (say) 09:00 because of the severe weather, and get some (few) complaints from the few who really wanted to get to work etc but brush them off on the basis of the prioirty given to safety (and trust the punters will never know if it turns out many trains could have run sooner). I don't blame managers for going for (b). I think it's a consequence of the way most British people expect zero risk and take zero persoanl responsibility. But then I'm a grumpy old man who sees nothing wrong with unmanned level crossings without gates:) -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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In message , at 16:37:02 on Sun, 27 Oct
2013, Derek F remarked: In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning collection. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 16:04:45 on
Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Paul Corfield remarked: No Southern trains apparently until 0900 or 1000. Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport. And it's not even OHL related. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 20:41:31 on Sun, 27 Oct
2013, Denis McMahon remarked: I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Presumably they're going to run light engines, engineers trains or ECS under caution to locate blockages etc, What are these "light engines" of which you speak. Especially south of London. -- Roland Perry |
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On 27/10/2013 20:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:41:31 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Denis McMahon remarked: I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Presumably they're going to run light engines, engineers trains or ECS under caution to locate blockages etc, What are these "light engines" of which you speak. Especially south of London. Class 73s, usually. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 27/10/2013 20:54, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:41:31 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Denis McMahon remarked: I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Presumably they're going to run light engines, engineers trains or ECS under caution to locate blockages etc, What are these "light engines" of which you speak. Especially south of London. Class 73s -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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In message , at 15:44:53 on
Sun, 27 Oct 2013, General remarked: In the north of Cambs, the highest wind speed is at 9am (under the Met Office's 3hr granularity). 26mph gusting 45mph, which is quite a bit lower maximum than for London (eg 33/60 at Heathrow at 6am). ========================== I really wouldn't take that as gospel - the UKMO warnings system tends to be a few hours out of date. It's OK, I went and did my errands, the ones people were advising against, and didn't encounter any bad weather. Back home now. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at
21:05:49 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Arthur Figgis remarked: I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Presumably they're going to run light engines, engineers trains or ECS under caution to locate blockages etc, What are these "light engines" of which you speak. Especially south of London. Class 73s, usually. Plural? SWT has one. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning collection. Did they have wheelie bins as early as 1987? I thought they came in a bit later. -- My blog: http://adf.ly/4hi4c |
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On 27/10/2013 21:52, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:05:49 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, Arthur Figgis remarked: I understand the need for tracks to be checked for damage / fallen trees but this does all seem a bit OTT. Presumably they're going to run light engines, engineers trains or ECS under caution to locate blockages etc, What are these "light engines" of which you speak. Especially south of London. Class 73s, usually. Plural? SWT has one. And GBRf has some more. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 27/10/2013 20:12, Guy Gorton wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:13:57 +0000, Mizter T wrote: Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. A huge storm was always a problem, but many years ago the railways kept lineside trees trimmed to minimise possible disruptions. Today? No such precautions. Not quite the same fire risk with modern traction. |
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On 27/10/2013 22:37, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning collection. Did they have wheelie bins as early as 1987? I thought they came in a bit later. Exactly my thoughts on reading that! |
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On 2013\10\27 23:58, Mizter T wrote:
On 27/10/2013 22:37, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning collection. Did they have wheelie bins as early as 1987? I thought they came in a bit later. Exactly my thoughts on reading that! Schools and hospitals had large wheeled bins in the 1970s. |
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Don't let them impugn your veracity!
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 01:33:59 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2013\10\27 23:58, Mizter T wrote: On 27/10/2013 22:37, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Roland Perry wrote: In '87 I was woken by a crashing sound. I was awoken by (probably) the sound of wheelie bins being blown down the street. No doubt they had been put out for an early morning collection. Did they have wheelie bins as early as 1987? I thought they came in a bit later. A German design devised by Schneider in the 1970s and introduced in the UK in the 1980s according to :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22704241 and part of a filthy EU plot according to :- http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/02/...e-2507544.html Exactly my thoughts on reading that! Schools and hospitals had large wheeled bins in the 1970s. |
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:52:31 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport. And it's not even OHL related. The WCML is running (with disruption due to a tree at Bushey). Why are we different from FCC north I wonder? Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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In message , at
07:21:46 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Neil Williams remarked: Especially poor given that it will double the amount of confusion at Gatwick, and force more people onto the roads to get to the airport. And it's not even OHL related. The WCML is running (with disruption due to a tree at Bushey). Why are we different from FCC north I wonder? The Fen Line is all-cancelled (as are all Greater Anglia's services). The only thing running in Cambs seems to be the XC Stansted-Birmingham, which are being turned at Cambridge. Thameslink-north would need a special timetable, as the trains are running to/from south of the river (where again everything seems to be cancelled), and presumably they don't have such a plan. EMT seem to be running a shuttle service from Bedford to the north on the Midland Mainline, but without FCC to connect to, all will do is create a lot of business for the buffet at Bedford. (The LM service to Bletchley is running but that's an awful slow way to get to London). -- Roland Perry |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. Update from the colonies (Tyne & Wear): Rain - nil (now and overnight) Temp - 14.1 C Sky - overcast. Wind - what wind? Hardly a leaf moving on the trees. Transport - apart from the usual crop of temp traffic lights and the odd accident, roads running OK. Oh - the T & W Metro reports a small adhesion problem - leaves on the line? Seems to indicate a physical manifestation of the North/South divide! Hoping you southern softies survive unscathed! Envo |
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On 28/10/2013 07:48, Envo wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. Update from the colonies (Tyne & Wear): Rain - nil (now and overnight) Temp - 14.1 C Sky - overcast. Wind - what wind? Hardly a leaf moving on the trees. Transport - apart from the usual crop of temp traffic lights and the odd accident, roads running OK. Oh - the T & W Metro reports a small adhesion problem - leaves on the line? Seems to indicate a physical manifestation of the North/South divide! Hoping you southern softies survive unscathed! Way down in de deep sarf it's not been as bad as expected, a few trees down in Southampton but nothing serious. Though there were gusts of nearly 100mph on the Isle of Wight. Appears to have been worse east of here -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 28/10/2013 07:58, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 28/10/2013 07:48, Envo wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Sounds like it could get ugly. Some TOCs are planning on running an amended timetable (East Coast, c2c), others have one up their sleeves, ready to go (or not go, as the case may be). This afternoon might be a good time to go out and enjoy the splendid autumn colours - in southern Britain at least - might not have any autumnal leaves left on the trees come tomorrow, indeed might have fewer trees as well. Update from the colonies (Tyne & Wear): Rain - nil (now and overnight) Temp - 14.1 C Sky - overcast. Wind - what wind? Hardly a leaf moving on the trees. Transport - apart from the usual crop of temp traffic lights and the odd accident, roads running OK. Oh - the T & W Metro reports a small adhesion problem - leaves on the line? Seems to indicate a physical manifestation of the North/South divide! Hoping you southern softies survive unscathed! Way down in de deep sarf it's not been as bad as expected, a few trees down in Southampton but nothing serious. Though there were gusts of nearly 100mph on the Isle of Wight. Appears to have been worse east of here Update, an AXC ECS train hit a tree near Ivybridge in Devon, driver not hurt. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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In message , at 08:00:19 on Mon, 28
Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Way down in de deep sarf it's not been as bad as expected, a few trees down in Southampton but nothing serious. Though there were gusts of nearly 100mph on the Isle of Wight. Appears to have been worse east of here Update, an AXC ECS train hit a tree near Ivybridge in Devon, driver not hurt. There's a tree on the line just north of Brighton. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 08:00:19 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Way down in de deep sarf it's not been as bad as expected, a few trees down in Southampton but nothing serious. Though there were gusts of nearly 100mph on the Isle of Wight. Appears to have been worse east of here Update, an AXC ECS train hit a tree near Ivybridge in Devon, driver not hurt. There's a tree on the line just north of Brighton. -- Roland Perry The train checking the line has hit a tree near Christ's Hospital station, my sources tell me. |
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In message , at 08:00:19 on Mon, 28
Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Update, an AXC ECS train hit a tree near Ivybridge in Devon, driver not hurt. FCC have just tweeted "no trains until further notice", having previously expected to start at 9am. Their website is currently down. EMT won't be venturing south of Bedford until at least noon. Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex, 32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex, Anglia too is disrupted." [And Greater Anglia aren't running anything at all]. -- Roland Perry |
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On 28/10/2013 08:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:00:19 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Update, an AXC ECS train hit a tree near Ivybridge in Devon, driver not hurt. FCC have just tweeted "no trains until further notice", having previously expected to start at 9am. Their website is currently down. EMT won't be venturing south of Bedford until at least noon. Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex, Essex? 32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex, Or is that Essex? Anglia too is disrupted." [And Greater Anglia aren't running anything at all]. There's flooding in the tunnel at Potters Bar apparently. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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In message , at 08:35:35 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex, Essex? 32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex, Or is that Essex? I'd plump for the 16 being Essex. Anglia too is disrupted." [And Greater Anglia aren't running anything at all]. GA pushed back to noon, EMT Nottingham-Norwich 11am. -- Roland Perry |
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I wonder if things are getting a bit fraught at some of the stations?
FCC just tweeted (their caps): "We urge you NOT TO TRAVEL TO THE STATION as we are not running any services until further notice" -- Roland Perry |
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On 28/10/2013 08:41, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:35:35 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: Network Rail tweets: "16 trees on the line in Wessex, Essex? 32 in Kent, 11 in Sussex, 37 in Wessex, Or is that Essex? I'd plump for the 16 being Essex. Sounds more likely Fortunately nowhere near as bad as '87. Anglia too is disrupted." [And Greater Anglia aren't running anything at all]. GA pushed back to noon, EMT Nottingham-Norwich 11am. SWT are still going for a nine o'clock start. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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In message , at 08:53:36 on Mon, 28 Oct
2013, Graeme Wall remarked: SWT are still going for a nine o'clock start. Not any mo "UPDATED AT 08:51 We have found in excess of 30 trees blocking lines across our network. We will be operating a significantly reduced timetable on Monday. It is highly unlikely that trains will run before 1100 at the earliest" ps. I'm getting "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable" from the NationalRail site now. -- Roland Perry |
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On 28/10/2013 09:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:53:36 on Mon, 28 Oct 2013, Graeme Wall remarked: SWT are still going for a nine o'clock start. Not any mo "UPDATED AT 08:51 We have found in excess of 30 trees blocking lines across our network. We will be operating a significantly reduced timetable on Monday. It is highly unlikely that trains will run before 1100 at the earliest" ps. I'm getting "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable" from the NationalRail site now. I can get the journey planner page but it hangs when I try and get a train from Southampton. Presumably can't cope with the load. Not helped by silly buggers, like me, just looking to see if it is working. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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In article , Roland Perry
scribeth thus In message , at 15:44:53 on Sun, 27 Oct 2013, General remarked: In the north of Cambs, the highest wind speed is at 9am (under the Met Office's 3hr granularity). 26mph gusting 45mph, which is quite a bit lower maximum than for London (eg 33/60 at Heathrow at 6am). ========================== I really wouldn't take that as gospel - the UKMO warnings system tends to be a few hours out of date. It's OK, I went and did my errands, the ones people were advising against, and didn't encounter any bad weather. Back home now. Not to bad up here in Cambridge peaked at 50 knots just before 8 this morning. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg...raph.cgi?today Came back from the cross last nite a very overloaded train and a hellava lurch somewhere south of Stevenage, felt like the wheels had lifted off the track lot of PAX gasped in surprise;!... -- Tony Sayer |
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