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Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a
pseudo Oyster.

Neil

--
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On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:14:19 PM UTC, wrote:
Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.



The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.



Would this cause problems?

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

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In message , at
00:12:30 on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a pseudo
Oyster.

I think presenting two different cards always caused a problem. It's the
Achilles Heel of virtually every RFID card implementation.

On the other hand, my dual "Paywave and Oyster" Barclaycard works fine,
which means perhaps it's got some clever avoidance technology.

--
Roland Perry

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:05:04 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
00:12:30 on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Would this cause problems?

Yes, because the readers are being modified to accept these as a pseudo
Oyster.

I think presenting two different cards always caused a problem. It's the
Achilles Heel of virtually every RFID card implementation.

On the other hand, my dual "Paywave and Oyster" Barclaycard works fine,
which means perhaps it's got some clever avoidance technology.

It shouldn't be too hard a problem to solve - ethernet has managed to do
collision detection since the 80s. I guess it depends on how smart they
want to make the hardware in the card.

--
Spud

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On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 05:50:49PM -0700, Piatkow wrote:

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

It's nice to see how easy these contactless cards make our lives!

--
David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders"

What plaything can you offer me today?

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:39:10 +0000
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 05:50:49PM -0700, Piatkow wrote:

In my experience even a first generation chip and pin card could interfere
with any variant of an Oyster card being read. I always carried mine in a
separate wallet and now use a third wallet for my ENCTS card.

It's nice to see how easy these contactless cards make our lives!

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking this is done for the passengers
benefit - just like Oyster its done entirely for TfLs benefit (a paper
travelcard was just as simple to use as an Oyster card but you didn't need a
5 quid deposit first). Soon they'll be able to suck money direct out of
peoples bank accounts and no doubt plenty of mugs are already lined up to
help them do it.

--
Spud

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Paul Corfield wrote on 31 October 2013 12:15:09 ...
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

Even with the old software, I had problems when Barclaycard started
issuing RFID cards. Before then, I had no problems getting my Freedom
Pass read through a stack of several chip-and-pin cards. But with the
RFID Barclaycard included, I had frequent failures to read. I now have
the Freedom pass in a separate flap of the wallet which I open out when
using an Oyster reader.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many:) How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

--
Mark

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(Mark Bestley) wrote on 31 October 2013 17:04:35 ...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many:) How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

Go to johnlewis.com and search for "trifold wallet". You can put one
RFID card in each of the two fold-out sections, other cards in the
middle section.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the appropriate card to the reader.

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Richard J. wrote:

(Mark Bestley) wrote on 31 October 2013 17:04:35 ...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many:) How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

Go to johnlewis.com and search for "trifold wallet". You can put one
RFID card in each of the two fold-out sections, other cards in the
middle section.

That is still only one wallet is that sufficient to stop problems?
--
Mark

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

--
Spud

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit
card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is

tim


--
Spud

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wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

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In message

, at 16:04:15 on Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Recliner
remarked:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

What sort of "older" cards did you have in mind?

When I worked with a client who RFID door locks, it was the same
footprint as a credit card, but about 3x as thick, but I still kept it
in my wallet. Stopped Oyster cards working unless I took them out,
though.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote in message
...
Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?


There's even a poster about this on some bus stops, basically;

Oyster and other cards are bad medicine and sometimes the reader will ignore
the Freedom pass and charge your card.

I always keep my Freedom pass in its own wallet.

--
Edward Cowling North London UK
http://twitter.com/gnilwoce
http://mardoun.weebly.com/
http://www.facebook.com/ed.cowling

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tim...... wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit
card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is


Curently I can carry my pass/oyster and a credit card in one wallett
where is the 10 minute queue here?

--
Mark

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In message , at 14:27:00 on
Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Mark Bestley remarked:
Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is


Curently I can carry my pass/oyster and a credit card in one wallett

The indications are that this will stop working quite soon (unless your
wallet is capable of separating them sufficiently when you touch-in).

Or perhaps your credit card isn't yet Paywave enabled - wait until it
gets replaced.

where is the 10 minute queue here?

For a paper ticket.
--
Roland Perry

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:24:53 +0100
"tim......" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit
card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is

I could put up with a short queue to renew a paper travelcard once a week or
month if it saves me hassle every single time I go through a gate.

--
Spud

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On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:04:15 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

--
Spud

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On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 14:41:15 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
The indications are that this will stop working quite soon (unless your
wallet is capable of separating them sufficiently when you touch-in).

Or perhaps your credit card isn't yet Paywave enabled - wait until it
gets replaced.

where is the 10 minute queue here?

For a paper ticket.

The machines are quite happy to dish out a one day paper travelcard. For now.
Though if you want to buy an oyster card you need to queue for the bloke in
the ticket office. I wonder if anyone in TfL has noticed the irony?

--
Spud

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(Mark Bestley) wrote on 31 October 2013 18:10:49 ...
Richard J. wrote:

(Mark Bestley) wrote on 31 October 2013 17:04:35 ...
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Recently my Freedom Pass has failed at some Oyster Readers (usually
Underground ones)with an error 94.

The only thing that has changed is that I now have in my wallet a
proximity debit card.

Would this cause problems?

Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014. There
will be "clash detection" in operation when someone presents two cards
within the read area of the target on the gate or validator. As the
reader cannot determine which card the holder wants to have read it
will reject both.

I understand that there had previously been only a couple of locations
with new software for testing purposes.

I know we're all different in how we organise things like cards but I
always keep Oyster cards and bank cards in separate wallets.

I have only one wallet and that is too many:) How with one wallet will
you use these cards? I don't want to carry a bag/purse around to put all
these wallets in. Perhaps I could put them in may back pocket as I did
with paper seasons or does that still break the connections?

Go to johnlewis.com and search for "trifold wallet". You can put one
RFID card in each of the two fold-out sections, other cards in the
middle section.

That is still only one wallet is that sufficient to stop problems?

Yes. It has completely stopped the problems I was getting when all the
cards were together. The other cards (including an RFID Barclaycard)
are near but not over the Oyster pad, and that's evidently far enough away.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:27:00 on
Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Mark Bestley remarked:
Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is


Curently I can carry my pass/oyster and a credit card in one wallett

The indications are that this will stop working quite soon (unless your
wallet is capable of separating them sufficiently when you touch-in).

Or perhaps your credit card isn't yet Paywave enabled - wait until it
gets replaced.

where is the 10 minute queue here?

For a paper ticket.

Which I don't need, I have a Pass already.

Oh well in that case I'll stop carrying the credit card when it expires,
cash is a lot easier you can carry in a back pocket and sit on it and
also in the same wallet as a pass

--
Mark

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In message , at 17:32:12 on Fri, 1 Nov
2013, d remarked:
where is the 10 minute queue here?



For a paper ticket.



The machines are quite happy to dish out a one day paper travelcard. For now.


At major terminus stations the machines often have substantial queues
too.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:04:15 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

Thank you for being as helpful as ever. I find it a lot more convenient to
keep my Oyster card separate from my thick wallet full or other cards,
coins, notes, etc. I'd much rather not take that out of my pocket at ticket
barriers.

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Paul Corfield writes:
Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014.

Does this mean I will no longer need my oyster card when I visit London?

I have a pay wave debit card and a pay as you go Oyster card and visit
London a few times a year.

Phil

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On 01/11/2013 20:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:04:15 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

Thank you for being as helpful as ever. I find it a lot more convenient to
keep my Oyster card separate from my thick wallet full or other cards,
coins, notes, etc. I'd much rather not take that out of my pocket at ticket
barriers.


I also keep my Oyster card in a separate holder, but since I got a new
contactless debit card I now have to keep my Freedom Pass in yet another
holder.

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In message , at 21:14:11 on Fri, 1 Nov 2013,
Phil remarked:
Yes because TfL are almost certainly deploying new software to all
card reading devices (on rail modes) in preparation for launch of
contactless bank card acceptance and daily capping in 2014.

Does this mean I will no longer need my oyster card when I visit London?

I have a pay wave debit card and a pay as you go Oyster card and visit
London a few times a year.

As long as they accept foreign (non-UK) issued contactless cards. I
don't think the current trial does [nor do I think it accepts the sort
of pre-pay cards often sold to travellers].
--
Roland Perry

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Tony Dragon wrote:
On 01/11/2013 20:36, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:04:15 -0500
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
Steve Lewis wrote:
You can have 2 RFID cards in a single wallet by putting a credit card-sized
piece of foil between them. You then turn your wallet to present the
appropriate card to the reader.

Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make life easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or ****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.

Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

Thank you for being as helpful as ever. I find it a lot more convenient to
keep my Oyster card separate from my thick wallet full or other cards,
coins, notes, etc. I'd much rather not take that out of my pocket at ticket
barriers.


I also keep my Oyster card in a separate holder, but since I got a new
contactless debit card I now have to keep my Freedom Pass in yet another holder.

I keep my contactless debit card in my main wallet. I've also put a piece
of Al foil in the wallet to stop the card being detected when it's in the
wallet. I don't usually take my Oyster and Freedom cards out together.

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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:01:45 -0500
Recliner wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote:
I also keep my Oyster card in a separate holder, but since I got a new
contactless debit card I now have to keep my Freedom Pass in yet another
holder.

I keep my contactless debit card in my main wallet. I've also put a piece
of Al foil in the wallet to stop the card being detected when it's in the
wallet. I don't usually take my Oyster and Freedom cards out together.

I wouldn't rely on that. RF has a way of sneaking through small gaps and
you may find one day your card has been debited because the foil slipped a
bit and exposed the card slightly.

--
Spud

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"Mark Bestley" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:27:00 on
Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Mark Bestley remarked:
Someone remind me - arn't we being told RFID is supposed to make
life
easier?

Requiring multiple wallets or wallets with seperate sections or
****ing
around
with bloody tin foil and then having to remember which way up to put
the
wallet
on the reader for gods sake wouldn't be my definition of "easier".

relative to getting on the end of a 10 minute queue it is


Curently I can carry my pass/oyster and a credit card in one wallett

The indications are that this will stop working quite soon (unless your
wallet is capable of separating them sufficiently when you touch-in).

Or perhaps your credit card isn't yet Paywave enabled - wait until it
gets replaced.

where is the 10 minute queue here?

For a paper ticket.

Which I don't need, I have a Pass already.

Then you are right, there is no saving from replacing a paper ticket with an
RFID one

but for those of us who have to pay (as we go) for our travel, there is

tim

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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 01:17:35 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
A "wave and pay" bank card should be accepted when the system is fully
switched on next year. At the moment only buses are covered and no
daily capping operates. TfL are apparently going to undertake a
larger trial shortly when more details should emerge and I expect a
big publicity campaign when the scheme fully launches next year.

They won't need publicity. The braindead masses seem to have no issue with
direct access to their bank accounts so long as it saves them 5 seconds or
the hassle of carrying an extra 20 gram card. These people don't deserve
to have savings - I hope some hackers clean them out.

--
Spud

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On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 05:24:19PM +0000, d wrote:

I could put up with a short queue to renew a paper travelcard once a week or
month if it saves me hassle every single time I go through a gate.

Which is why I use a paper travelcard. It has loads of other advantages
too, such as having the expiry date printed on it so I don't have to
remember some random date to renew it, and not having to go to a TfL
station to sort out any problems.

--
David Cantrell
Professor of Unvironmental Science
University of Human Progress

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On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 05:26:43PM +0000, d wrote:
Recliner wrote:
So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.
Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

Back in the good old days I expect you used something like this for your
ticket:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0049N99J2

and something like this for your money/credit cards/etc:
http://www.johnlewis.com/i-like-pie/p459704

HTH. HAND.

--
David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence

Today's previously unreported paraphilia is tomorrow's Internet sensation

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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:02:17 +0000
David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 05:26:43PM +0000, d wrote:
Recliner wrote:
So keep the card(s) outside the wallet, just as you'd have done with any
older technology cards.
Is that supposed to be a serious suggestion? Perhaps you haven't quite
grasped
the concept of a "wallet". Here, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallet

Back in the good old days I expect you used something like this for your
ticket:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0049N99J2

and something like this for your money/credit cards/etc:
http://www.johnlewis.com/i-like-pie/p459704

HTH. HAND.

Err no. Back in the day I managed to fit a paper ticket in my wallet.
Obviously you found this a problem and so assume everyone else did too. Sadly
I'm afraid you were the only one.

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On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:32:12 GMT, d wrote:

The machines are quite happy to dish out a one day paper travelcard. For now.
Though if you want to buy an oyster card you need to queue for the bloke in
the ticket office. I wonder if anyone in TfL has noticed the irony?

The last time I bought an Oyster card, I did it from a ticket machine.
It seemed a very useful feature not shared by many other cities. My
reading of http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14433.aspx is that this isn't
possible any more.

"Ticket machines: Top up your Oyster card with any amount of credit,
add season tickets or buy paper tickets."

So, is it possible?

Richard.

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In message , at 23:02:23 on
Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Richard remarked:

The last time I bought an Oyster card, I did it from a ticket machine.

Or was it a vending machine - there are few of those around at large
London Terminus stations, selling a "Tourist Oyster".
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In message of Tue, 5 Nov
2013 23:02:23 in uk.transport.london, Richard
writes
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 17:32:12 GMT, d wrote:

The machines are quite happy to dish out a one day paper travelcard. For now.
Though if you want to buy an oyster card you need to queue for the bloke in
the ticket office. I wonder if anyone in TfL has noticed the irony?

The last time I bought an Oyster card, I did it from a ticket machine.
It seemed a very useful feature not shared by many other cities. My
reading of http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14433.aspx is that this isn't
possible any more.

Your reading is right. The file is wrong.
You can buy oyster cards with coinage.
You can top up with notes and credit cards
The machines which sell oyster cards do not accept notes.
I do not recall if they accept credit cards.


"Ticket machines: Top up your Oyster card with any amount of credit,
add season tickets or buy paper tickets."

So, is it possible?

Yes.
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Walter Briscoe

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On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:30:56 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 23:02:23 on
Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Richard remarked:

The last time I bought an Oyster card, I did it from a ticket machine.

Or was it a vending machine - there are few of those around at large
London Terminus stations, selling a "Tourist Oyster".

I've seen those, at Heathrow I think, but this one was a normal
machine, one of the smaller (narrower) ones as Walter notes in another
answer (thanks).

I don't think there's much more I could ask of TfL about this. The
cards are available at stations from people and machines and in
hundreds -- at least -- of shops, and for tourists also sold on some
airlines and Eurostar (it would make sense for hotels to sell them).
The arms' length that most TOCs keep is hardly TfL's fault.

On travels abroad, and especially at home in Oxford, getting a card
_can_ be a pain (Paris has newsagents, etc. but people in stations
generally don't sell anything any more; Brussels only has staff at a
tiny proportion of stations, etc., etc... But at least neither of
those cities eat credit and then cancel like Oxford).

Richard.