Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In message , at 14:51:09 on Thu, 21
Nov 2013, Michael R N Dolbear remarked:
If you're laden with luggage or encumbered with family then changing
trains is not something you'll be keen on. Going from KX to Heathrow
using Crossrail involves getting to Farringdon (going backwards!) then

Farringdon ?

Why not Tottenham Court Road ?

Because KGX-TCR requires one change on the tube?
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Roland Perry

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
03:58:04 on Thu, 21 Nov 2013, remarked:

I think the District+Picc also wins from Victoria, but the Crossrail
route is certainly better from Liverpool St and probably from Euston,
too.

What route from Euston?

Euston would tend to trap the unwary into the unfriendly connection
at Green Park (for the tube to Heathrow).

For Crossrail it would presumably be via Tottenham Court Road, but I
have no idea how convenient the interchange there is going to be.

Where will the other Crossrail entrance at TCR (than the one by Centre
Point) be?

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Colin Rosenstiel

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In message , at 09:42:51
on Thu, 21 Nov 2013, remarked:
Where will the other Crossrail entrance at TCR (than the one by Centre
Point) be?

Based on a hole in the ground I saw a couple of years ago, a few blocks
west.
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Roland Perry

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 01:21:11 on
Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
Which would be quicker from King's Cross, Crossrail or tube + HEx?

Around 30 mins with HEx+Tube, 40 mins with Crossrail+Tube and 55 mins via
Piccadilly line. However, the latter is more frequent and involves no
changes, so typical journey times may be more favourable than those
numbers
suggest.

I would still expect the Picc Line to do well post Crossrail for
journeys to Heathrow. Your points about frequency and a direct train
to all of the terminals is a definite advantage although the longer
journey time and potential for standing for part of the trip are
downsides.

If you're laden with luggage or encumbered with family then changing
trains is not something you'll be keen on. Going from KX to Heathrow
using Crossrail involves getting to Farringdon (going backwards!) then
having to get to the new ticket hall from the e/b platform (not easy)
then down escalators and then down again to reach Crossrail (if I'm
remembering the layout properly). You then get on a train which may
take you to your terminal at Heathrow or you may need to change at
Heathrow to reach T4 or T5 (can't remember which station CR1 runs to).
There may be more luggage space on a CR train and certainly more seats
and it'll be quick. However passengers hate changing and going via
Farringdon is not necessarily intuitive.

If you were to apply passenger preference weights to each journey I
suspect the Picc Line would win out over Crossrail as people weight
frequency highly and really dislike changing trains and complicated,
lengthy interchanges.

Please note I am talking about normal people not mega buck salary
business people.

And when coming into London, it may not be so obvious to even mini-buck
business people and tourists, that taking the tube is better. They won't
know how passenger friendly it is (and having experienced perhaps the
Paris Metro may assume that tube+luggage is no-go).

And impression that will not be improved as they try to "walk" their luggage
through the (what I can only assume is a) terrorist barrier at T123
underground entrance

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:28:56 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:
I've never had any problem with taking luggage on the Paris Metro.
It's simply a busy Metro system like many around the world. The
only
one I've seen "restrictions" on is the Hong Kong MTR

56x45x25 (IATA hand luggage) on the Delhi metro because of the
airport style security.

Neil

--
Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In article ,
(tim......) wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
01:21:11 on Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Paul Corfield
remarked:
Which would be quicker from King's Cross, Crossrail or tube + HEx?

Around 30 mins with HEx+Tube, 40 mins with Crossrail+Tube and 55 mins
via Piccadilly line. However, the latter is more frequent and involves
no changes, so typical journey times may be more favourable than those
numbers suggest.

I would still expect the Picc Line to do well post Crossrail for
journeys to Heathrow. Your points about frequency and a direct train
to all of the terminals is a definite advantage although the longer
journey time and potential for standing for part of the trip are
downsides.

If you're laden with luggage or encumbered with family then changing
trains is not something you'll be keen on. Going from KX to Heathrow
using Crossrail involves getting to Farringdon (going backwards!) then
having to get to the new ticket hall from the e/b platform (not easy)
then down escalators and then down again to reach Crossrail (if I'm
remembering the layout properly). You then get on a train which may
take you to your terminal at Heathrow or you may need to change at
Heathrow to reach T4 or T5 (can't remember which station CR1 runs to).
There may be more luggage space on a CR train and certainly more seats
and it'll be quick. However passengers hate changing and going via
Farringdon is not necessarily intuitive.

If you were to apply passenger preference weights to each journey I
suspect the Picc Line would win out over Crossrail as people weight
frequency highly and really dislike changing trains and complicated,
lengthy interchanges.

Please note I am talking about normal people not mega buck salary
business people.

And when coming into London, it may not be so obvious to even
mini-buck business people and tourists, that taking the tube is
better. They won't know how passenger friendly it is (and having
experienced perhaps the Paris Metro may assume that tube+luggage is
no-go).

And impression that will not be improved as they try to "walk" their
luggage through the (what I can only assume is a) terrorist barrier
at T123 underground entrance

I thought that was to keep trolleys off the tube estate?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In message , at 17:57:12 on
Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
For Crossrail it would presumably be via Tottenham Court Road, but I
have no idea how convenient the interchange there is going to be.

From the Northern Line there will be link stairs between the NL
platforms taking people down to a lower level where there are more
stairs down to Crossrail platform level.

So not stepless?

This is at the same level as
the main escalator shaft down from the enlarged ticket hall.

Sorry, which level is that - you've described several.
--
Roland Perry

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In message , at 18:18:10 on Thu, 21
Nov 2013, tim...... remarked:
And when coming into London, it may not be so obvious to even
mini-buck business people and tourists, that taking the tube is
better. They won't know how passenger friendly it is (and having
experienced perhaps the Paris Metro may assume that tube+luggage is no-go).

And impression that will not be improved as they try to "walk" their
luggage through the (what I can only assume is a) terrorist barrier at
T123 underground entrance

Wouldn't that be an anti-airport-baggage-trolley barrier? HEx has those,
but down at the platform level.
--
Roland Perry

Piccadilly line 'bustitution' to Heathrow this weekend
 

In message , at 10:10:01 on
Fri, 22 Nov 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
From the Northern Line there will be link stairs between the NL
platforms taking people down to a lower level where there are more
stairs down to Crossrail platform level.

So not stepless?

There are lifts on all links so you can make a stepless interchange at
TCR.

That's good. Let's hope they don't mean you have to walk 5x as far like
the lifts at Kings Cross! (Northern to Victoria for example).
--
Roland Perry