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Not the first I think (previous one was perhaps 7-8 years ago not that
far away in south London).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221
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Roland Perry

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On 20/12/2013 22:16, Roland Perry wrote:
Not the first I think (previous one was perhaps 7-8 years ago not that
far away in south London).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

May 2008, when a 188 bus hit overhanging tree branch or branches on
Tower Bridge Road, bringing some down onto the adjacent pavement killing
a passing pedestrian:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7410203.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7753053.stm

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Roland Perry wrote on 20 December 2013 22:16:19 ...
Not the first I think (previous one was perhaps 7-8 years ago not that
far away in south London).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

The previous tree bash that I remember was in Tower Bridge Road in 2008,
when a passing pedestrian was killed by a falling branch. In that case,
the tree was leaning over the carriageway, and there were concerns about
similar leaning trees all over London.

This latest crash looks quite different. Reports say that the bus
swerved to avoid a car. It then ran off the road and collided head-on
with the tree. As far as I can see the whole width of the trunk ended
up inside the bus.
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Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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In message , at 11:55:37 on Sat, 21 Dec
2013, Richard J. remarked:

The previous tree bash that I remember was in Tower Bridge Road in
2008, when a passing pedestrian was killed by a falling branch. In
that case, the tree was leaning over the carriageway, and there were
concerns about similar leaning trees all over London.

This tree also seems to be leaning into the road, and not in a way that
looks as if it could have been caused by the bash.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg

Reports say that the bus swerved to avoid a car.

At least one says it swerved to avoid an emergency vehicle.

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Roland Perry

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:55:37 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
Roland Perry wrote on 20 December 2013 22:16:19 ...
Not the first I think (previous one was perhaps 7-8 years ago not that
far away in south London).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221

The previous tree bash that I remember was in Tower Bridge Road in 2008,
when a passing pedestrian was killed by a falling branch. In that case,
the tree was leaning over the carriageway, and there were concerns about
similar leaning trees all over London.

This latest crash looks quite different. Reports say that the bus
swerved to avoid a car. It then ran off the road and collided head-on
with the tree. As far as I can see the whole width of the trunk ended
up inside the bus.

Sadly I'm not surprised this bus driver lost control. I've been using buses 2
or 3 times a week for the last few months and the standard of bus driving
varies from ok to bloody appalling and with most drivers not giving a flying
**** whether people are still climbing the stairs as they floor the throttle
and swerve off into the road.

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Spud

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The amount of damage is quite appalling, it would be interesting to see how fast the bus was going at the moment of impact. But then, buses don't exactly have crumple zones.

Neill

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It was a bad week for bus crashes. Or was it a good week?

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On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:27:51 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

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Spud

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In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22 Dec
2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).
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Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22
Dec 2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of
the blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to
drive into a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 2013\12\22 15:41, d wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 21:27:51 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

I don't agree. You aren't aware of everything that's on the footpath at
all times, and when it becomes obvious that remaining on the road will
definitely cause a crash, you don't have time to familiarise yourself
with the consequences of swerving off the road at that location.

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In message , at 14:41:36
on Sun, 22 Dec 2013, remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

The picture I posted shows him pretty much parallel to the kerb, I'd
have thought.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg
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Roland Perry

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On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:07:02 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:41:03 on Sun, 22 Dec
2013, d remarked:
Clearly until there is an outcome from the investigation all of that
is speculation as is allocating "blame" to the bus driver when he was
not the person that triggered the events that caused the collision
with the tree.

Unless the tree jumped in front of his bus then he has to share part of the
blame. No competent driver is going to avoid hitting a car just to drive into
a tree instead.

If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

-
Spud

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In message , at 10:10:56 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

I'm assuming the kerb next to the bus aligns with that white line just
beyond the two hi-viz in the foreground, and not out where the police
van is parked. Although there does seem to be perhaps the end of a
lay-by directly in front of the bus.
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Roland Perry

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 10:35:10 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:10:56 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

Eh? If a tree has a low branch overhanging the road that a bus could hit then
fair enough, but this tree is clearly on the pavement and its not exactly
small. Unless he's clinically blind there is no way he couldn't have seen it.

In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

No idea, but IP6 is certainly a car crash. Albeit in slow motion.

Always check your cut and pastes before posting! :o)

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Spud

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In message , at 10:44:42 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

No idea, but IP6 is certainly a car crash. Albeit in slow motion.

Always check your cut and pastes before posting! :o)

I spotted that and thought I'd corrected it :(

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg

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Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 14:41:36
on Sun, 22 Dec 2013, remarked:
If he stayed on the road (it's not obvious from the reports/pictures
that he didn't) then I don't blame a bus driver for assuming any
potentially conflicting roadside trees have been cleared away.

(Low bridges are an entirely different matter).

I think you are wrong there. He was certainly heading off the road to hit
the tree in that manner.

The picture I posted shows him pretty much parallel to the kerb, I'd
have thought.


http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...s2197/Main-Bus
-Crash-2946066.jpg

OK. That's a different view from the one I saw earlier.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:18:43 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:44:42 on Tue, 24 Dec
2013, d remarked:
In this picture, is the bus on the pavement?

http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/others/i...s/default.aspx

No idea, but IP6 is certainly a car crash. Albeit in slow motion.

Always check your cut and pastes before posting! :o)

I spotted that and thought I'd corrected it :(

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg

Well that tree looks pretty firmly planted in the pavement and I'd say yes,
the bus is slightly off the road.

It wouldn't surprise me of course if the tree isn't cut down now under some
spurious H&S grounds due to it being a "menace" (or similar loaded words) to
traffic even though other drivers have probably managed to avoid hitting it
since the internal combustion engine was invented as it looks a good 200
years old.

--
Spud

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In message , at 19:44:07 on Tue, 24 Dec 2013,
d remarked:
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg

Well that tree looks pretty firmly planted in the pavement

But what about the top of the trunk leaning towards the road?

and I'd say yes, the bus is slightly off the road.

How many feet are the nearside wheels up the kerb, and why isn't it
tilted as a result?
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Roland Perry

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:18:43 +0000 Roland Perry
wrote:

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2946066.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/Main-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg


traffic even though other drivers have probably managed to avoid hitting
it since the internal combustion engine was invented as it looks a good
200
years old.


https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...2F%3B860%3B570

For a benchmark, the Kingston half mile tree is 60 years old


--
Mike D

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South London at the moment is like a real life Grand Theft Auto V.

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 20:40:48 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:44:07 on Tue, 24 Dec 2013,
remarked:
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...ATES/s2197/Mai
n-Bus-Crash-2946066.jpg

Well that tree looks pretty firmly planted in the pavement

But what about the top of the trunk leaning towards the road?

Its probably always leant slightly out. I doubt a 10 ton bus makes much
impact on a tree that size whose roots probably go down 10 metres.

and I'd say yes, the bus is slightly off the road.

How many feet are the nearside wheels up the kerb, and why isn't it
tilted as a result?

Tyre could have blown out. Besides, there is plenty of street furniture as well
as trees only inches from roads all over the country. If someone drives into
them are they too close to the road or is the driver simply an idiot?
I'll vote for the 2nd option.

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Spud