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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message ... "Phil" wrote But you see the same everywhere, how few use pay-at-pump, although self-service checkouts do seem to have gained acceptance. Today's news gave a new reason for this http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-petrol-glitch I can't see that being a reason why people don't use them. No-one would except that to be the result. I don't use them because I can't be sure that the damned thing is going to give me a receipt. Even if it doesn't tell you beforehand that it is out of paper (ISTR that they do that) the process may fail at the point of receipt production - and I have had that happen during one of the very limited occasions where I had to use an automatic pump, so it isn't just me being paranoid about an unlikely occurrence tim |
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wrote in message ... On 03/01/2014 12:21, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:37:31 on Fri, 3 Jan 2014, Mizter T remarked: However, they have either withdrawn the restriction on using foreign or prepay cards (and many tourists will have foreign prepay cards) or they've just stopped mentioning it. How many (if any) prepaid cards have contactless enabled? I suspect they won't have it, as contactless transactions are all about being super-quick, 'touch and go', without time for online authorisation. Enabling contactless would be a risk for the issuer - existing prepaid cards have a zero floor limit (i.e. automatic online authorisation), for example. Yes, I know what the problem for the merchants is (very similar to the old Electron/Solo issue), but a prepaid card is the sort of thing that minors, tourists[1] and the uncreditworthy [all three of whom buy tube tickets] are very likely to have. Now maybe but the use of such cards will grow over time. Have they met the deadline set when first introduced [Dec 2012]: "From the end of 2013, contactless payment cards will be accepted on the Tube, Docklands Light Railway, London Overground and trams." I'm not looking forward to that because it would seem it obsoletes my "Onepulse Barclay/Oyster" - the system charges neither rather than one or both, apparently. Will they be sending me an automatic refund for the stored amount? "the system charges neither rather than one or both, apparently" - really? I'd expect it to continue acting as an Oyster card when presented to an Oyster validator The December 2012 press release says: "If an Oyster card and a contactless bankcard are presented to a reader on a bus together (for instance, in a wallet), the readers will normally reject them both, as it can't be sure which card was intended to be used." That doesn't happen everywhere. I have a contactless card for transport from another city, which I keep with my Oyster. Some readers on the tube and bus accept the Oyster with no problem/question, while others will indicate that there are two cards. I wonder if TfL would eventually do away with and accept either thumb prints or have ceiling mounted readers that can read your face or irises. Fares would be directly deducted from people's accounts. I can just see the DM headlines now tim |
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wrote in message ... On 02/01/2014 21:11, Mizter T wrote: On 02/01/2014 20:46, Clive Page wrote: On 02/01/2014 16:24, tim...... wrote: If TfL are expecting your average foreign tourist to start paying for tickets using "pay wave" credit cards I think that they are tilting at windmills I walk from St.Pancras to King's Cross tube station quite frequently and continue to be surprised at the number of arrivals from Eurostar who head straight to the enormously long queue for the ticket office, when there are plenty of ticket machines with no queue or only a small one. It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. I find that surprising as I would assume that TVMs in both countries would be multi-lingual. Indeed, I always prefer using TVMs, as compared to standing in queue -- it's quicker, you don't have to deal with surly staff and you don't have to put up with the next person in front of you in queue with a large or confusing transaction or some other issue. Annoying that (all?) the RER and Metro ticket machines don't take notes, but they should accept UK cards these days (there used to be problems when the French had their own chip-and-PIN system, before the adoption of the EMV standard.) Problem with using a UK debit card abroad is that the bank takes a percentage on each transaction. At least that is the way it is with my bank. yes mine's started doing that 2.75% added on the top of a less than stellar exchange rate (Apparently) some are even worse, applying a 1 (or even 2) pound per transaction minimum to this charge. That can make a 60 bus fare flipping expensive! tim |
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In message , at 09:09:21 on Sun, 5 Jan
2014, tim...... remarked: But you see the same everywhere, how few use pay-at-pump, although self-service checkouts do seem to have gained acceptance. Today's news gave a new reason for this http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-petrol-glitch I can't see that being a reason why people don't use them. No-one would except that to be the result. I don't use them because I can't be sure that the damned thing is going to give me a receipt. Even if it doesn't tell you beforehand that it is out of paper (ISTR that they do that) the process may fail at the point of receipt production - and I have had that happen during one of the very limited occasions where I had to use an automatic pump, so it isn't just me being paranoid about an unlikely occurrence iirc Tesco pumps warn you in advance that they are out of paper, but ASDA ones simply fail to produce a receipt. -- Roland Perry |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message ... In message , tim...... writes I can't see that being a reason why people don't use them. No-one would except that to be the result. I don't use them because I can't be sure that the damned thing is going to give me a receipt. Even if it doesn't tell you beforehand that it is out of paper (ISTR that they do that) the process may fail at the point of receipt production - and I have had that happen during one of the very limited occasions where I had to use an automatic pump, so it isn't just me being paranoid about an unlikely occurrence I've had that happen too, and then one of the staff explained to me that you can go to any other pump on the site and use the 're-print receipt' facility and get your receipt, even if the pump is nominally out of service. It's always worked for me since. Of course not many people know this. when I went into the "shop" to complain I got told "tough - nothing you can do about it now!" this wasn't in the UK tim |
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"tim......" wrote especially foreigners I wouldn't be so sure. Well I'll ask a bunch of then when I go back to the office tomorrow :-) I can't be sure that it isn't my lack of observation, but I haven't seen any opportunities to pay with a contactless card here, so I'm not expecting a large positive response I noticed that Aldi, Lidl and M&S have rolled it out. http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/companies...348506.article And on being reminded, I noticed the change in Waitrose too. http://www.theukcardsassociation.org...ontactless.asp http://www.contactless.info/updateonukrollout.asp I first used a contactless card (MC credit) to buy a coffee at the RFH, but I don't see the few seconds saved as of any significance. It might be of some benefit when a whole host of people were buying the same thing and nothing else. -- Mike D |
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:20:14 -0000, "Michael R N Dolbear"
wrote: I first used a contactless card (MC credit) to buy a coffee at the RFH, but I don't see the few seconds saved as of any significance. It might be of some benefit when a whole host of people were buying the same thing and nothing else. It is about volume - shop in ALDI and see how fast their checkout operators are and you will see why it is significant. Bus travel, where the bus is delayed while a queue of people pay, is also a significant application. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote
I don't see the few seconds saved as of any significance. It might be of some benefit when a whole host of people were buying the same thing and nothing else. It is about volume - shop in ALDI and see how fast their checkout operators are and you will see why it is significant. They waste a few seconds by being slow to press the "customer does not require cashback" key so I think they are much the same as other supermarkets though fewer coupons and car park tickets, and no loyalty cards do help. I recall from way back a planning document that gave the average time to pay in cash and by card - are there more recent statistics ? Bus travel, where the bus is delayed while a queue of people pay, is also a significant application. Agreed, but that exactly matches my 'buying the same thing' remark. -- Mike D |
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In message , at 14:19:32 on Mon, 6 Jan
2014, Michael R N Dolbear remarked: It is about volume - shop in ALDI and see how fast their checkout operators are and you will see why it is significant. They waste a few seconds by being slow to press the "customer does not require cashback" key so I think they are much the same as other supermarkets though fewer coupons and car park tickets, and no loyalty cards do help. One of the main ways they are quicker is by refraining from extended chats with customers about their mutual social lives. Round here Waitrose is one of the worst where it seems every customer is a long lost friend of the cashier and they absolutely *have* to catch up with the local gossip. I was quite taken aback a couple of weeks ago at Aldi when a checkout operator spoke for the first time I can recall, and asked me if I was "going to be watching the game" later that evening. I muttered something about not being that interested in cricket (the test match series being the only 'game' I knew taking place at the time) and left. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:02:14PM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
I recognise that the queues might be at ticket machines instead but it's not the same thing. Thornton Heath, this morning, had a looooong queue almost out of the door of people trying to do Oystery things. I just walked straight to the ticket office and bought my monthly travelcard, no queue at all. So, for today only, I welcome the Oyster PTB not giving a **** about those of us in south London and not bothering to properly supply all the facilities necessary for Oyster to be worth using :-) -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat There are two kinds of security, the one that keeps your sister out, the one that keeps the government out and the one that keeps Bruce Schneier out. |
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On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 12:21:20PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
That's a great shame as it reduces the plastic-card-bloat in my wallet. Also a slap in the face for early adopters. Not really. You, like loads of other early adopters, just guessed the technological direction incorrectly. Early adopters of any technology really have to expect this to happen occasionally, and stop whining about it. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice PLEASE NOTE: This message was meant to offend everyone equally, regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, politics, choice of beer, operating system, mode of transport, or their editor. |
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On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 09:45:59AM +0100, tim...... wrote:
wrote in message ... I wonder if TfL would eventually do away with and accept either thumb prints or have ceiling mounted readers that can read your face or irises. Fares would be directly deducted from people's accounts. I can just see the DM headlines now How dare those blind hook-handed cripples dodge their fares? -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence In Victorian times, when every man wore a beard the size of a yew, Britain ruled the world. In the early 20th century, when the beard was trimmed to a moustache, we scraped through two world wars but lost an empire. Today, when Mach3 Turbo multi-blades are the norm, our national pride derives largely from beating the Swedes at Olympic cycling. Grow a beard. Your country needs you. |
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote:
It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist |
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wrote in message ... In article , (tim......) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim......) wrote: wrote in message ... In article , (tim......) wrote: If TfL are expecting your average foreign tourist to start paying for tickets using "pay wave" credit cards I think that they are tilting at windmills You only have to look at the number of suitably "qualified" individuals who don't go through the self service passport check (at no risk and sometimes considerable time cost) to see how "frightened" the average person is of such technology Now maybe but the use of such cards will grow over time. but not withing the timetable that Boris wants to close the ticket offices IMHO It's still some time till his 2015 deadline in terms of electronic payment development timescales. but nowhere near enought time for everybody to get used to using them especially foreigners I wouldn't be so sure. so I asked the guys at work today: It seems that the local banks are offering EMV cards (is the at right technology?) to those that ask for them, but they aren't pushing them to all customers. I said "do you think that many people will be taking them up on this offer" and the reply was "no, we're a conservative lot when it come to such things" a sample of only one country, of course! tim ` -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"David Cantrell" wrote in message ... On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 12:21:20PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote: That's a great shame as it reduces the plastic-card-bloat in my wallet. Also a slap in the face for early adopters. Not really. You, like loads of other early adopters, just guessed the technological direction incorrectly. Early adopters of any technology really have to expect this to happen occasionally, and stop whining about it. though for most early adopters, it happens more than occasionally! tim |
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"David Cantrell" wrote in message ... On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. I've been using the Euro, day in day out, for 50% of the time since the day they were minted, and I still can't tell what value a random small coin is, without reading the value on it. And for those that don't know, they have different patterns on the edge so that you can tell then apart but I'm ******* if I can remember which value has which edging. (and before anyone mentions it, yes I can tell the copper from the bronze, it differentiating within those sets that I can't do) tim -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist |
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On 02/01/2014 21:11, Mizter T wrote: On 02/01/2014 20:46, Clive Page wrote: On 02/01/2014 16:24, tim...... wrote: If TfL are expecting your average foreign tourist to start paying for tickets using "pay wave" credit cards I think that they are tilting at windmills I walk from St.Pancras to King's Cross tube station quite frequently and continue to be surprised at the number of arrivals from Eurostar who head straight to the enormously long queue for the ticket office, when there are plenty of ticket machines with no queue or only a small one. It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. I find that surprising as I would assume that TVMs in both countries would be multi-lingual. Indeed, I always prefer using TVMs, as compared to standing in queue -- it's quicker, you don't have to deal with surly staff and you don't have to put up with the next person in front of you in queue with a large or confusing transaction or some other issue. Annoying that (all?) the RER and Metro ticket machines don't take notes, but they should accept UK cards these days (there used to be problems when the French had their own chip-and-PIN system, before the adoption of the EMV standard.) Problem with using a UK debit card abroad is that the bank takes a percentage on each transaction. At least that is the way it is with my bank. It depends on your account, more than the bank. My HSBC Advance account gives me free foreign currency transactions. Admittedly there is a fee, but as it gives me worldwide travel insurance and UK breakdown cover I consider it value for money. Phil |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" writes:
"Neil Williams" wrote I don't see the few seconds saved as of any significance. It might be of some benefit when a whole host of people were buying the same thing and nothing else. It is about volume - shop in ALDI and see how fast their checkout operators are and you will see why it is significant. They waste a few seconds by being slow to press the "customer does not require cashback" key so I think they are much the same as other supermarkets though fewer coupons and car park tickets, and no loyalty cards do help. Contactless does save time at other checkouts by elliminating the do you want cashback question, the transaction has gone through in about the time it normally takes to plug the card into the machine. Then normally the machine decides if the card is a debit or credit card, then the cashier asks if you want cashback and then they press a button to allow you to enter your pin. Contactless is also much easier on the M6 toll, much less chance of dropping the card. Phil |
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Clive Page writes:
On 04/01/2014 01:01, Michael R N Dolbear wrote: "Phil" wrote But you see the same everywhere, how few use pay-at-pump, although self-service checkouts do seem to have gained acceptance. Today's news gave a new reason for this http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-petrol-glitch But that's probably not the only reason. I like to get a paper record for every credit card transaction, so I can check my bill every month. I used to use the "pay at pump" machines routinely but stopped after twice finding at the end that the machine could not produce a receipt. If the machine had been programmed properly to tell me this at the outset that it was out of paper I could have avoided the pump payment option. It often doesn't take much longer to pay at the kiosk, and for me it's worth the extra few seconds to be sure that I get a paper record of every transaction. At Tesco/Shell/Morrisons, just go to another pump and press 'Reprint my reciept', insert your card and you will get the receipt. Phil |
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In message , at 17:05:49
on Mon, 6 Jan 2014, David Cantrell remarked: That's a great shame as it reduces the plastic-card-bloat in my wallet. Also a slap in the face for early adopters. Not really. You, like loads of other early adopters, just guessed the technological direction incorrectly. Early adopters of any technology really have to expect this to happen occasionally, and stop whining about it. I'm not the slightest bit ashamed of adopting a technology which promised to combine two logical cards within one physical one. It's still a useful parameter, unless you are a vendor of even larger wallets. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 18:40:11 on Mon, 6 Jan
2014, tim...... remarked: I've been using the Euro, day in day out, for 50% of the time since the day they were minted, and I still can't tell what value a random small coin is, without reading the value on it. Perhaps you aren't suited to be being an international traveller then. I've never had such a problem with numerous trips using USA and Swiss currency, in addition to UK/Euro. Or even Dubai, India, Lithuania and Australia on my trips there. I wonder if there's a recognised expression for it (a bit like dyslexia for words). -- Roland Perry |
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On 06/01/2014 17:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. Paris TVMs (both RATP and SNCF Transilien) don't take notes, which is a bit annoying. |
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Mizter T wrote on 06 January 2014 21:01:28 ...
On 06/01/2014 17:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. Paris TVMs (both RATP and SNCF Transilien) don't take notes, which is a bit annoying. Many Paris TVMs do take notes. There are large icons above each machine showing whether it accepts bank cards, coins or notes. As far as I remember, they are on a colour-coded banner, which is orange for machines that take notes. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... Mizter T wrote on 06 January 2014 21:01:28 ... On 06/01/2014 17:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. when we still have the old 10p pieces, I can recall an American putting one on the counter and asking the assistant is this (huge) coin worth one, or two of your pounds? tim |
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:17:30 +0000 Richard J. wrote :
Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. ISTR that the little US ones just say 'one dime' with no number? -- Tony Bryer |
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On 07/01/2014 22:10, wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: [...] Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. The old 20p design before me as I write has the figures "20" on it. The new designs are so naff that it doesn't surprise me to find they don't have figures. The 20p even managed to appear without a date because the date was switched from reverse to obverse and some were minted with the old head side. I quite like the 'new' (2008) designs, but must admit it hadn't dawned on me until now that none of them feature the value in numerals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg |
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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
On 07/01/2014 22:10, wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: [...] Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. The old 20p design before me as I write has the figures "20" on it. The new designs are so naff that it doesn't surprise me to find they don't have figures. The 20p even managed to appear without a date because the date was switched from reverse to obverse and some were minted with the old head side. I quite like the 'new' (2008) designs, but must admit it hadn't dawned on me until now that none of them feature the value in numerals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg I don't like the designs but it hadn't occurred me either until this thread. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 07/01/2014 22:19, Mizter T wrote:
On 07/01/2014 22:10, wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: [...] Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. The old 20p design before me as I write has the figures "20" on it. The new designs are so naff that it doesn't surprise me to find they don't have figures. The 20p even managed to appear without a date because the date was switched from reverse to obverse and some were minted with the old head side. I quite like the 'new' (2008) designs, but must admit it hadn't dawned on me until now that none of them feature the value in numerals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg Anybody ever find a 20-pence coin from St. Helena and Ascension in their change? |
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On 06/01/2014 21:01, Mizter T wrote:
On 06/01/2014 17:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. Paris TVMs (both RATP and SNCF Transilien) don't take notes, which is a bit annoying. Using a credit card won't take a surcharge, compared with using a debit card. |
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On 07/01/2014 21:31, tim...... wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Mizter T wrote on 06 January 2014 21:01:28 ... On 06/01/2014 17:16, David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 08:46:47PM +0000, Clive Page wrote: It could be that some of them are conditioned by the near impossibility of using ticket machines at stations in France (and for that matter in the Netherlands) if you are a non-native. The only problem I've had with ticket machines in Paris is that they use funny foreign coins that I don't recognise very quickly, which makes it hard to figure out what to put in. If only Europe would adopt a single currency, such as the pound. Well, at least the funny foreign coins show the value as a number. I feel sorry for foreigners trying to decipher "TWENTY PENCE" in letters 1.5mm high on the edge of our 20p coin. when we still have the old 10p pieces, I can recall an American putting one on the counter and asking the assistant is this (huge) coin worth one, or two of your pounds? tim Clearly he did not understand the difference between pounds and shillings/florins. |
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On 02/01/2014 19:02, Phil wrote:
Mizter T writes: On 02/01/2014 16:24, tim...... wrote: [snip] If TfL are expecting your average foreign tourist to start paying for tickets using "pay wave" credit cards I think that they are tilting at windmills You only have to look at the number of suitably "qualified" individuals who don't go through the self service passport check (at no risk and sometimes considerable time cost) to see how "frightened" the average person is of such technology They might not have a chipped passport yet. (Or have no passport - the gates don't work with Euro national identity cards.) Can't be many non-chip UK passports left now. My passport issued in 2006 doesn't have one so that means roughly a third will not. |
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On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:01:28 +0000, Mizter T
wrote: Paris TVMs (both RATP and SNCF Transilien) don't take notes, which is a bit annoying. With cards at least, Paris is better now. So is Brussels. It seems to me that "city" operators are often more tourist-friendly than the national rail operator when it comes to accepting foreign cards. TMB vs. RENFE, STIB vs. SNCB... Germany is a problem for me, now that my debit card is a Visa. DB machines (and the diminishing number of shops that only take debit cards) consider it to be a credit card and the computer says no for smaller transactions. When it was a Maestro, there was no problem. Richard. |
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In message , at 09:35:46 on Sat, 11 Jan
2014, Someone Somewhere remarked: Can't be many non-chip UK passports left now. My passport issued in 2006 doesn't have one so that means roughly a third will not. Even taking into account the 5yr passports issued to minors, and those replaced for various reasons (lost/stolen/damaged/full)? -- Roland Perry |
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"Oyster refund at LRH"? That is surprising, given that LRH is the code for La Rochelle airport in France - somewhat outside the zonal area ....
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:47:21 +0000, "
wrote: I wonder if TfL would eventually do away with and accept either thumb prints or have ceiling mounted readers that can read your face or irises. Fares would be directly deducted from people's accounts. We should all have barcodes tattooed on our foreheads. -- jhk |
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On 11/01/2014 13:18, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:35:46 on Sat, 11 Jan 2014, Someone Somewhere remarked: Can't be many non-chip UK passports left now. My passport issued in 2006 doesn't have one so that means roughly a third will not. Even taking into account the 5yr passports issued to minors, and those replaced for various reasons (lost/stolen/damaged/full)? Yes, but also those replaced abroad would probably not have a chip in them either until much later so it probably evens out. In my case the replacement was to get a machine readable passport as my previous one issued in 2000 in Budapest due to damage was not. Anyway, even if it's only a quarter or a fifth then that's still a substantial number of passports and larger than "can't be many" |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 09:35:46 on Sat, 11 Jan 2014, Someone Somewhere remarked: Can't be many non-chip UK passports left now. My passport issued in 2006 doesn't have one so that means roughly a third will not. Even taking into account the 5yr passports issued to minors, and those replaced for various reasons (lost/stolen/damaged/full)? and the fairly reasonable statistic that the newer a passport is, the more likely it is to be used. (I wonder how skewed that really is. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it is very significant) tim |
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