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Nick Cooper February 2nd 04 07:38 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

Ishmael Sayle III February 2nd 04 10:34 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
So a normal average day then!


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk




Neill Wood February 2nd 04 12:38 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
Presumably scripted by the same people who come up with
Eastenders/Casualty/Holby City


"Ishmael Sayle III" wrote in message ...
So a normal average day then!


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk


CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North February 2nd 04 01:08 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
(Nick Cooper) wrote in message ...
"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk



Sorry to give away the story. But apparently one of the "experts"
during the program makes a decision that leads to Waterloo station
blowing up without time for it to be evaucated.

Henry February 2nd 04 01:33 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"Neill Wood" wrote
Presumably scripted by the same people who come up with
.../Casualty/...


You mean BBC Comedy Dept?



Nick Cooper 625 February 2nd 04 03:42 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"Ishmael Sayle III" wrote in message ...

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


So a normal average day then!


Wonder how LU would flag that one up on the service status boards!

From the clips shown on 'BBC Breakfast' this AM, the "dilemma" is
whether to tryu to rescue the passengers stuck in the rapidly-filling
tunnel, or to close, "the watertight doors." Question is, is it still
possible to do that?!

Andrew Clark February 2nd 04 05:56 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North"

Please insert spoiler into the subject line in future!



Robin Mayes February 2nd 04 08:13 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

"Nick Cooper 625" wrote in message
om...

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


So a normal average day then!


Wonder how LU would flag that one up on the service status boards!

From the clips shown on 'BBC Breakfast' this AM, the "dilemma" is
whether to tryu to rescue the passengers stuck in the rapidly-filling
tunnel, or to close, "the watertight doors." Question is, is it still
possible to do that?!


Since when has reality been allowed to interfere with a TV programme?



MetroGnome February 3rd 04 04:29 PM

Crisis Command - BBC2 Tue 3 Feb *2100* (was: Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30)
 
It is an hour long, and starts at *2100*, not 2130. The title is "Crisis
Command: Could You Run The Country?", and it is apparently a pilot for a
potential series.



--
MetroGnome
~~~~~~~~~~



Richard Lamont February 3rd 04 09:29 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
Nick Cooper wrote:

"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


--

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Andrew P Smith February 3rd 04 09:37 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
In article , Richard Lamont
writes

Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
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Ishmael Sayle III February 3rd 04 10:07 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
Boy was I impressed with that lot, I'm bloody glad I don't work for or eat
at Yo Sushi, he couldn't make a decision if his life depended upon it, still
it was nice seing Parlament burn, it would keep all the wet tube passengers
warm.

I wouldn't trust those 3 to find their own arses with both hand and a map.

ISII
"Andrew P Smith" wrote in message
...
In article , Richard Lamont
writes

Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
--
Andrew
Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of

this
communication can not be guaranteed.
Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not
associations or companies I am involved with.




Robin Mayes February 3rd 04 10:10 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

"Richard Lamont" wrote in message
...
Nick Cooper wrote:

"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


LOL!

The lessons they learnt should be digested by all those within U.T.L. who
don't have to make dreal time ecisions with insufficent information. At
least they had advisors and no passengers whinging that the 17:31 Chesham
hasn't turned up yet ;-)



Nick Cooper February 4th 04 07:53 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:29:28 +0000, Richard Lamont
wrote:

Nick Cooper wrote:

"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


I expected there was going to be a certain amount of hand-wring, but
wasn't prepared for just how ludicrously over-cautious they were. In
the case of the airliner, I was sat there shouting, "shoot the *******
down!" at the TV while they were still arguing whether or not to try
to get it to divert to Stansted!

Still not convinced of the Underground angle, either....
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

Night Orca February 4th 04 08:00 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

"Nick Cooper 625" wrote in message

From the clips shown on 'BBC Breakfast' this AM, the "dilemma" is
whether to tryu to rescue the passengers stuck in the rapidly-filling
tunnel, or to close, "the watertight doors." Question is, is it still
possible to do that?!


Yes it is.... Flood gates still exist on the LUL

South Ken to Sloane Square being one place



Neill Wood February 4th 04 08:28 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
Richard Lamont wrote in message . ..
Nick Cooper wrote:

"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.


Couldn't have put it better. I hope this remains a pilot. I missed the
begininng, and was left wondering how bombs going off at Waterloo
would casue a catastrophic failure of a tunnel under the Thames at
least a hundred yards away beneath the river bed. Must have been
pretty big bombs. Or was this once of those amazing coincidences
beloved by Casualty scriptwriters? I'd also like to know how the whole
Underground network became flooded by the tunnel collapse about a
minute after it happened as was implied. As I recall the whole network
would not be at risk of flooding by one tunnel collapse anyway.

On the subject of watertight doors, do they still put them on river
tunnels? The Jubilee extension crosses the Thames at several points
the DLR also crosses now. I don't recall seeing anything on the DLR,
but can't really see on the Jubilee as some idiot has put tinted glass
walls along the platform edges.

James Bentall February 4th 04 08:45 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
In article ,
(Neill Wood) wrote:

Couldn't have put it better. I hope this remains a pilot. I missed the
begininng, and was left wondering how bombs going off at Waterloo
would casue a catastrophic failure of a tunnel under the Thames at
least a hundred yards away beneath the river bed. Must have been
pretty big bombs. Or was this once of those amazing coincidences
beloved by Casualty scriptwriters?


IIRC, There were two 'bombs' - one went off at concourse level, the
other on a Northern Line train. Coincidence? I think the programme
makers were trying to make them realise that it was a coordinated attack
against London with the bombs, power cuts, and plane problems all
arriving at the same time.

I'd also like to know how the whole
Underground network became flooded by the tunnel collapse about a
minute after it happened as was implied. As I recall the whole network
would not be at risk of flooding by one tunnel collapse anyway.


Yes, that seemed a bit more suspect. However if the doors hadn't been
closed I guess that a large proportion of the deep level lines in the
central area would have been flooded. Presumably circle/district etc
would have been less susceptible as they are much nearer street level
and maybe above the normal level of The Thames in some places?

Personally speaking, if those 3 ever form part of a cabinet in this
country, I will be immediately volunteering to take part in the first
explaratory trips to Mars - that should be just about far enough away to
be safe from their 'decision' making!

James

CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North February 4th 04 02:42 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

Personally speaking, if those 3 ever form part of a cabinet in this
country, I will be immediately volunteering to take part in the first
explaratory trips to Mars - that should be just about far enough away to
be safe from their 'decision' making!

James


Although the program was even funnier than I was told it would be.
I wonder just how many people smirking at them making the wrong
decision would be happy to give the order to kill 100 innocent people
without the hindsight of knowing the plane was going to crash into
parliament. How many people would give the order to seal up a tunnel
with a underground train full of injured people on board. Its very
easy to mock and laugh at a fictional set up. Or to give advice and
opnions in this matter. But how many people would in a real life
situation have the guts to order the death of 100's without being 100%
that it will save more lives that it loses.
And also if it was your
wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/child/parent/realtive on the train
or plane. Would you be so keen to see them die without being 100%
their life would save a lot more?

Cast_Iron February 4th 04 02:50 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North wrote:

But how many people would in a real life
situation have the guts to order the death of 100's without being 100%
that it will save more lives that it loses.
And also if it was your
wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/child/parent/realtive on the train
or plane. Would you be so keen to see them die without being 100%
their life would save a lot more?


Hence the proverbial "loneliness of command" and readiness of many to
crticise but only with hindsight.



James Bentall February 4th 04 02:56 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
In article ,
(CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North)
wrote:


Personally speaking, if those 3 ever form part of a cabinet in this
country, I will be immediately volunteering to take part in the first
explaratory trips to Mars - that should be just about far enough away to
be safe from their 'decision' making!

James


Although the program was even funnier than I was told it would be.
I wonder just how many people smirking at them making the wrong
decision would be happy to give the order to kill 100 innocent people
without the hindsight of knowing the plane was going to crash into
parliament. How many people would give the order to seal up a tunnel
with a underground train full of injured people on board. Its very
easy to mock and laugh at a fictional set up. Or to give advice and
opnions in this matter. But how many people would in a real life
situation have the guts to order the death of 100's without being 100%
that it will save more lives that it loses.
And also if it was your
wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/child/parent/realtive on the train
or plane. Would you be so keen to see them die without being 100%
their life would save a lot more?


I appreciate that argument - and yes, it is very easy for me to mock
whilst sitting in my sitting room at home. away from all the pressure,
the noise etc. I still feel however that the two incidents that really
made me think 'O ma word' - allowing a plane known to be piloted by
terrorists to enter London's airspace, and spending 20 minutes
discussing whether to close watertight flood doors or not - particularly
the latter one was a bit of a no brainer. As one of the participants put
it 'if we close the doors and the roof holds, we'll be no worse off, but
if we don't and the roof caves in then we've killed thousands' or words
to that effect.

I would like to think that had there been personal relatives of people
making the decisions involved, that those people would not be required
to make the decision in case they became 'emotionally motivated' or
whatever the latest buzz word is for that.

I guess at the end of it all we have to hope that the scenario the BBC
devised remains a fictional one and none of us are ever called to make
such decisions.

James

Bill Ridgeway February 4th 04 03:18 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
SNIPBut how many people would in a real life situation have the guts to
order the death of 100's without being 100% that it will save more lives
that it loses.

Which begs the question just how prepared would local commissioners in their
bunkers have been to make similar decision. At the moment it's all
hypothetical but come the crunch??

Regards.

Bill Ridgeway
Computer Solutions



John Rowland February 4th 04 04:39 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"Jason Hovercraft-Bingley" wrote in
message ...

It's gratifying to see these examples of how much
people like you fear The Guardian. I read
The Guardian because it's a damned fine newspaper.


I initially read The Guardian because people told me it was a damned fine
newspaper. Then I tried the Independent, and found it was a little
unsettling because every article had a strange "unfinished" feel to it. So I
went back to the Guardian. Then I realised that the "unfinished" feeling
came about because as a Guardian reader I had come to expect newspapers to
tell me what conclusions to draw, and the Independent just gave me the facts
and let me draw my own conclusions. So I went back to the Independent.

--
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Jason Hovercraft-Bingley February 4th 04 05:58 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

"Richard Lamont" wrote in message
...
Nick Cooper wrote:

"Three people ar egiven the chance to run their country during a major
crisis."

One is a "rogue" airliner over London, immediately followed by a Tube
train stuck under the Thames. And the tunnel is leaking....


Well that was fun, wasn't it children? Form three Guardian readers into
a committee and watch them wring their hands and dither.
Richard Lamont


It's gratifying to see these examples of how much people like you fear The
Guardian. I read The Guardian because it's a damned fine newspaper.
The only true newspapers are the Independent, the Guardian, the Telegraph
and The Times. The "Daily Maul" can't even climb into the category.

JHB.



Hugo 'NOx' Tyson February 4th 04 09:31 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

I just started watching it, and it seems to be arse so far, with the
serious-voiced presenter, almost like Michael Buerk being sanctimonious
about car accidents. ;-(

And the "crisis" logo makes me think "underpants"...

- Huge


Andrew P Smith February 4th 04 09:47 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
In article , Night Orca
writes

"Nick Cooper 625" wrote in message

From the clips shown on 'BBC Breakfast' this AM, the "dilemma" is
whether to tryu to rescue the passengers stuck in the rapidly-filling
tunnel, or to close, "the watertight doors." Question is, is it still
possible to do that?!


Yes it is.... Flood gates still exist on the LUL

South Ken to Sloane Square being one place


They may exist, but do they work?
--
Andrew
Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this
communication can not be guaranteed.
Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not
associations or companies I am involved with.

Andrew P Smith February 4th 04 09:49 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
In article , CJG Now
Thankfully Living In The North writes

Personally speaking, if those 3 ever form part of a cabinet in this
country, I will be immediately volunteering to take part in the first
explaratory trips to Mars - that should be just about far enough away to
be safe from their 'decision' making!

James


Although the program was even funnier than I was told it would be.
I wonder just how many people smirking at them making the wrong
decision would be happy to give the order to kill 100 innocent people
without the hindsight of knowing the plane was going to crash into
parliament. How many people would give the order to seal up a tunnel
with a underground train full of injured people on board. Its very
easy to mock and laugh at a fictional set up. Or to give advice and
opnions in this matter. But how many people would in a real life
situation have the guts to order the death of 100's without being 100%
that it will save more lives that it loses.
And also if it was your
wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/child/parent/realtive on the train
or plane. Would you be so keen to see them die without being 100%
their life would save a lot more?


Put me in the chair, I'll make the decision. And stand by it.
--
Andrew
Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this
communication can not be guaranteed.
Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not
associations or companies I am involved with.

Jonn Elledge February 5th 04 12:16 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
"Jason Hovercraft-Bingley" wrote

in
message ...

It's gratifying to see these examples of how much
people like you fear The Guardian. I read
The Guardian because it's a damned fine newspaper.


I initially read The Guardian because people told me it was a damned fine
newspaper. Then I tried the Independent, and found it was a little
unsettling because every article had a strange "unfinished" feel to it. So

I
went back to the Guardian. Then I realised that the "unfinished" feeling
came about because as a Guardian reader I had come to expect newspapers to
tell me what conclusions to draw, and the Independent just gave me the

facts
and let me draw my own conclusions. So I went back to the Independent.


I used to read the Daily Express, but then I realised that if I just printed
out a piece of paper ranting about spiralling tax burdens then it would
serve pretty much the same function but save me 50p a day.

The other great thing about the Independent is that it does exactly what it
says on the tin. It may have an overall editorial line, but its columnists
are all over the place - you can't really imagine Ken Livingstone with a
column in the Daily Mail, can you?

Jonn



Nick Cooper February 5th 04 07:15 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:00:01 +0000 (UTC), "Night Orca"
wrote:


"Nick Cooper 625" wrote in message

From the clips shown on 'BBC Breakfast' this AM, the "dilemma" is
whether to tryu to rescue the passengers stuck in the rapidly-filling
tunnel, or to close, "the watertight doors." Question is, is it still
possible to do that?!


Yes it is.... Flood gates still exist on the LUL

South Ken to Sloane Square being one place


Yeah, sure, but take a look them and you see that most/all clearly
haven't been moved for decades. The ones in the cross-passageways at
Leicester Square got tiled over lat last year. There are the
1939/40-vintage ones at the ends of the Northern & Bakerloo platforms
at Waterloo, but are they actually still capable of being closed?
Hence my question: "is it _still_ possible to do that?!"
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

Neill Wood February 5th 04 07:55 AM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 
"Jonn Elledge" wrote in message ...

I used to read the Daily Express, but then I realised that if I just printed
out a piece of paper ranting about spiralling tax burdens then it would
serve pretty much the same function but save me 50p a day.


What a great line. I think everyone should use that as their forum signature.

CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North February 5th 04 12:41 PM

Command Crisis - BB2 Tue 3 Feb 21.30
 

It's gratifying to see these examples of how much people like you fear The
Guardian. I read The Guardian because it's a damned fine newspaper.
The only true newspapers are the Independent, the Guardian, the Telegraph
and The Times. The "Daily Maul" can't even climb into the category.

JHB.


Ironically its the Metro a free newspaper which is the best paper.
Not patronising or up its own arse like the Guardian. And not toilet
paper like the Daily Star (both newspapers which I read)
Incidentically if you live or work near a university like I do. If you
go in the university and find a shop selling newspapers your find that
due to wanting to catch students early before they become graudates
and buy the same paper for the rest of your life. You can get the
Times, Guardian and Independent for a price cheaper than any of the
red tops. It may only be 20p your saving but if you buy cheap
sandwhiches and drinks there too every day your be a lot better off.


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