TfL admits to card-clash
 

In an email this morning...

"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend to
pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster cards
and any contactless payment cards separate helps to avoid 'card
clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing lots
of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket gates not
opening, slowing down your journey. It could also result in
payment being taken from a card you did not intend to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On 04/02/2014 10:37, Roland Perry wrote:

In an email this morning...

"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend to
pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster cards
and any contactless payment cards separate helps to avoid 'card
clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing lots
of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket gates not
opening, slowing down your journey. It could also result in
payment being taken from a card you did not intend to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.


This isn't news, nor some massive shock revelation. TfL have said it
since they started accepting contactless card payments on buses over a
year ago.

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 10:52:04 on Tue, 4 Feb 2014,
Mizter T remarked:
"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend to
pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster cards
and any contactless payment cards separate helps to avoid 'card
clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing lots
of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket gates not
opening, slowing down your journey. It could also result in
payment being taken from a card you did not intend to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.

This isn't news,

So why email all their [registered] Oyster users?

nor some massive shock revelation.

Depends whether you are a frog, or a frog boiler.

TfL have said it since they started accepting contactless card payments
on buses over a year ago.

I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard OnePulse
and see what happens.
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 12:32:59 on
Tue, 4 Feb 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
I assume this is part of a long campaign to change behaviours in
advance of contactless bank card roll out in May this year. There
will inevitably be more and more gates and validators with updated
software loaded that will detect bank cards stored alongside Oyster
cards. This means people will suffer card rejections at gates /
validators and may not be aware as to why it is suddenly happening.

I believe there were issues at the station when the test software was
downloaded.

When put in that context it makes sense surely??

Only if one accepts that the designers of both the Oyster and PayWave
technologies were incapable of working out how to exclude clashes.

One obvious possibility is if we can see both an Oyster and a Paywave,
then "we'll assume it's the Oyster that this particular passenger wishes
to use, as long as it has credit".

Although adding in ITSO as well might require said boffins to be able to
tell the difference between three cards.

Why is any of this not absolutely predictable in what's an extremely
controlled environment?
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:04:40 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard OnePulse
and see what happens.

I received a letter at the weekend from Barclaycard telling me they are
withdrawing the OnePulse product and when my card expires (end of April)
it would be replaced by a different Barclaycard without the Oyster
bit. One way of solving the problem.

TfL admits to card-clash
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...
In message , at 10:52:04 on Tue, 4 Feb 2014,

This isn't news,

So why email all their [registered] Oyster users?


Because up until now, for the past 12 months if not longer, this
information has only appeared in various newspaper articles and
on web forums. Unfortunately the fact that the said articles
and forums are often accompanied by reader recommendations
to use cooking foil barriers (useless apparently) and similar
nonsense often casts doubt on the original information.

Now however, its official.


michael adams

....

TfL admits to card-clash
 

When put in that context it makes sense surely??

Absolutley yes.

But I predict a riot if they don't do summat before mobile phones carry
PayWave or similar functionality as a matter of course. I simply cannot
imagine generations Y and Z not having their phones in their hands :)
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 13:23:07 on
Tue, 4 Feb 2014, David Walters remarked:
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard OnePulse
and see what happens.

I received a letter at the weekend from Barclaycard telling me they are
withdrawing the OnePulse product and when my card expires (end of April)
it would be replaced by a different Barclaycard without the Oyster
bit. One way of solving the problem.

Any indication regarding what they propose as a method for transferring
the Oyster credit on such a card away to a replacement 'classic' oyster?
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:21:47 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:23:07 on
Tue, 4 Feb 2014, David Walters remarked:
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard OnePulse
and see what happens.

I received a letter at the weekend from Barclaycard telling me they are
withdrawing the OnePulse product and when my card expires (end of April)
it would be replaced by a different Barclaycard without the Oyster
bit. One way of solving the problem.

Any indication regarding what they propose as a method for transferring
the Oyster credit on such a card away to a replacement 'classic' oyster?

Nothing automatic. I'd need to obtain a regular Oyster card from somewhere
and then speak to the Oyster helpline.

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 15:25:20 on
Tue, 4 Feb 2014, David Walters remarked:
I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard OnePulse
and see what happens.

I received a letter at the weekend from Barclaycard telling me they are
withdrawing the OnePulse product and when my card expires (end of April)
it would be replaced by a different Barclaycard without the Oyster
bit. One way of solving the problem.

Any indication regarding what they propose as a method for transferring
the Oyster credit on such a card away to a replacement 'classic' oyster?

Nothing automatic. I'd need to obtain a regular Oyster card from somewhere
and then speak to the Oyster helpline.

Sounds like when my first OnePulse was replaced and I had to spend the
regulation half an hour on the phone to the helpline to transfer the
credit across to the new one.

Another method: could one "surrender" a OnePulse card at a TfL office
and get a cash refund for the balance?
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:52:03 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
Another method: could one "surrender" a OnePulse card at a TfL office
and get a cash refund for the balance?

I can't imagine the typical ticket office liking that, and you can't
always get a cash refund on Oyster cards anyway depending on how the
credit got there in the first place.

I'm intending to run mine down to zero through some careful top-ups
but I make a handful of fairly predictable journeys most weeks so it
shouldn't be too tricky to do that.

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In an email this morning...

"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend to
pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster cards
and any contactless payment cards separate helps to avoid 'card
clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing lots
of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket gates not
opening, slowing down your journey. It could also result in
payment being taken from a card you did not intend to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.

You must lead such a tough life, Roland! I've always kept my Oyster cards
separate from my wallet and very rarely meet an ATM queue, especially longer
than one or two people.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 10:52:04 on Tue, 4 Feb
2014, Mizter T remarked:
"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend
to pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster
cards and any contactless payment cards separate helps to
avoid 'card clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing
lots of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket
gates not opening, slowing down your journey. It could also
result in payment being taken from a card you did not intend
to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you
have to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.

This isn't news,

So why email all their [registered] Oyster users?

Have they? I had an e mail from them last week with my weekly usage (first
time since before last October) but nothing since.

nor some massive shock revelation.

Depends whether you are a frog, or a frog boiler.

TfL have said it since they started accepting contactless card payments
on buses over a year ago.

I'm still waiting for an opportunity to try out my Barclaycard
OnePulse and see what happens.

Ask them?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

TfL admits to card-clash
 

Only if one accepts that the designers of both the Oyster and PayWave
technologies were incapable of working out how to exclude clashes.

I have two PayWave cards. Which one should it pick?

This impresses me as an opportunity for wallet makers. I have a
wallet with a built-in tinfoit hat that shields all of my RFID cards.
You can see it he

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_8bn_4yx8

For the commuters, it wouldn't be very hard to make a version of this
wallet that has one deliberately unshielded slot for your Oyster or
whatever.

--
Regards,
John Levine, , Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 17:26:51 on
Tue, 4 Feb 2014, David Walters remarked:

[OnePulse]

I'm intending to run mine down to zero through some careful top-ups

Mine is on auto top-up, so I suppose I'd need to switch that off first.

On the other hand, maybe the Oyster part will keep working after the
credit card side times out?
--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In message , at 13:54:39
on Tue, 4 Feb 2014, remarked:

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.

You must lead such a tough life, Roland! I've always kept my Oyster cards
separate from my wallet

How odd. They are credit card sized (and mine is even a credit card too)
so the wallet is the obvious place to keep them.

and very rarely meet an ATM queue, especially longer
than one or two people.

You should come to Ely on a Saturday morning... queues of four or five
at ATMs are commonplace.

--
Roland Perry

TfL admits to card-clash
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
13:54:39 on Tue, 4 Feb 2014, remarked:

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you
have to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.

You must lead such a tough life, Roland! I've always kept my Oyster cards
separate from my wallet

How odd. They are credit card sized (and mine is even a credit card
too) so the wallet is the obvious place to keep them.

Multiple wallets.

and very rarely meet an ATM queue, especially longer
than one or two people.

You should come to Ely on a Saturday morning... queues of four or
five at ATMs are commonplace.

So don't try in Ely on a Saturday morning then!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 01:09:13PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:

Although adding in ITSO as well might require said boffins to be able to
tell the difference between three cards.

If only there were some closely related technology which had had to solve
problems like these before. Then people could learn from the past and
come up with something that works instead of just failing ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSMA/CD

--
David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing

Planckton: n, the smallest possible living thing

TfL admits to card-clash
 

On 04/02/2014 10:37, Roland Perry wrote:
In an email this morning...

"I am writing to remind you to only touch the card you intend to
pay with on the yellow card reader. Keeping your Oyster cards
and any contactless payment cards separate helps to avoid 'card
clash'.

"If you touch the reader with a wallet or purse containing lots
of cards, this may lead to 'card clash' and the ticket gates not
opening, slowing down your journey. It could also result in
payment being taken from a card you did not intend to use.

So that's another frog boiled (the one about Oyster meaning all you have
to do is touch your wallet).

I'll add it to the list, including ones like [not TfL] ATMs meaning no
more queues at banks - which I remember every time I queue at an ATM.


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On 04/02/2014 13:41, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...
In message , at 10:52:04 on Tue, 4 Feb 2014,

This isn't news,

So why email all their [registered] Oyster users?


Because up until now, for the past 12 months if not longer, this
information has only appeared in various newspaper articles and
on web forums. Unfortunately the fact that the said articles
and forums are often accompanied by reader recommendations
to use cooking foil barriers (useless apparently) and similar
nonsense often casts doubt on the original information.

Now however, its official.


michael adams

...







I wonder if an anti'static bag would shield the card?

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"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
On 04/02/2014 13:41, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 10:52:04 on Tue, 4 Feb 2014,

This isn't news,

So why email all their [registered] Oyster users?


Because up until now, for the past 12 months if not longer, this
information has only appeared in various newspaper articles and
on web forums. Unfortunately the fact that the said articles
and forums are often accompanied by reader recommendations
to use cooking foil barriers (useless apparently) and similar
nonsense often casts doubt on the original information.

Now however, its official.


michael adams

...







I wonder if an anti'static bag would shield the card?


Isn't anti-static caused by friction ?

A better bet might be a full height faraday cage made out
old metal coathangers with an armole through which to
poke the oyster card.

This might also get you more room to yourself on the train.

Maybe an idea for "Dragon's Den" ?


michael adams

....