In message , at 20:00:38 on Thu, 27 Feb
2014, " remarked:
You could change from the Piccadilly at Earls Court then get the
District line to the other station at Paddington.

That's an awkward change (tube to subsurface), especially with luggage,
but in the current weather it might be better to change to the District
at Hammersmith (cross platform as both are above ground still) then
change again at Earls Court for an Edgware Rd (not High Street Ken) train.

Is there a cross-platform change at High Street Kensington for Edgware Road?

No, but it would be stepless.
--
Roland Perry

In article , () wrote:

On 27/02/2014 08:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message ,
at 07:51:57 on Thu, 27 Feb 2014, David
remarked:

You could change from the Piccadilly at Earls Court then get the
District line to the other station at Paddington.

That's an awkward change (tube to subsurface), especially with luggage,
but in the current weather it might be better to change to the District
at Hammersmith (cross platform as both are above ground still) then
change again at Earls Court for an Edgware Rd (not High Street Ken)
train.

Is there a cross-platform change at High Street Kensington for
Edgware Road?

Level access in that direction, yes. A bit academic with the limited Olympia
service these days.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 27/02/2014 12:23, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:16:25 +0000 (UTC), John Levine
wrote:

I'm flying into Heathrow on Sunday and staying at a hotel near
Paddington. Heathrow Express is a bit rich for my tastes, and Connect
only runs once an hour, so I might as well take the tube.

The obvious route is to change at Hammersmith from the Piccadilly to
the Circle or H&C line. My recollection is that the two stations are
across the street from each other, so you have to tap out and tap back
in. Is that considered part of the same trip, or a separate trip?

It counts as one trip provided you change between gatelines within 20
minutes. That should not be a problem.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/out-of...terchange-osi/

A friend got a bit indignant with me when they were charged two fares
for a similar journey... turned out they'd got distracted by a retail
emporium.


There are lifts from platform to street at the Picc / District line
station. Exit towards the rear of your Picc Line train at Hammersmith
as there are two ticket halls at Hammersmith and the one to the rear
of eastbound trains is closer to the exit which takes you across the
H&C / Circle Line station.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...s/1000096.aspx

On 27/02/2014 20:02, wrote:

On 27/02/2014 12:23, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:16:25 +0000 (UTC), John Levine
wrote:

I'm flying into Heathrow on Sunday and staying at a hotel near
Paddington. Heathrow Express is a bit rich for my tastes, and Connect
only runs once an hour, so I might as well take the tube.

The obvious route is to change at Hammersmith from the Piccadilly to
the Circle or H&C line. My recollection is that the two stations are
across the street from each other, so you have to tap out and tap back
in. Is that considered part of the same trip, or a separate trip?

It counts as one trip provided you change between gatelines within 20
minutes. That should not be a problem.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/out-of...terchange-osi/

There are lifts from platform to street at the Picc / District line
station. Exit towards the rear of your Picc Line train at Hammersmith
as there are two ticket halls at Hammersmith and the one to the rear
of eastbound trains is closer to the exit which takes you across the
H&C / Circle Line station.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...s/1000096.aspx

Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

Mizter T wrote:
On 27/02/2014 20:02, wrote:

On 27/02/2014 12:23, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:16:25 +0000 (UTC), John Levine
wrote:

I'm flying into Heathrow on Sunday and staying at a hotel near
Paddington. Heathrow Express is a bit rich for my tastes, and Connect
only runs once an hour, so I might as well take the tube.

The obvious route is to change at Hammersmith from the Piccadilly to
the Circle or H&C line. My recollection is that the two stations are
across the street from each other, so you have to tap out and tap back
in. Is that considered part of the same trip, or a separate trip?

It counts as one trip provided you change between gatelines within 20
minutes. That should not be a problem.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/out-of...terchange-osi/

There are lifts from platform to street at the Picc / District line
station. Exit towards the rear of your Picc Line train at Hammersmith
as there are two ticket halls at Hammersmith and the one to the rear
of eastbound trains is closer to the exit which takes you across the
H&C / Circle Line station.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...s/1000096.aspx

Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

True, though I don't know why people would change there rather than at
Farringdon, apart from the lack of step-free access at the latter.

On 04/03/2014 21:34, Recliner wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
[...]
I'm flying into Heathrow on Sunday and staying at a hotel near
Paddington. Heathrow Express is a bit rich for my tastes, and Connect
only runs once an hour, so I might as well take the tube.

The obvious route is to change at Hammersmith from the Piccadilly to
the Circle or H&C line. My recollection is that the two stations are
across the street from each other, so you have to tap out and tap back
in. Is that considered part of the same trip, or a separate trip?

It counts as one trip provided you change between gatelines within 20
minutes. That should not be a problem.

http://www.oyster-rail.org.uk/out-of...terchange-osi/

There are lifts from platform to street at the Picc / District line
station. Exit towards the rear of your Picc Line train at Hammersmith
as there are two ticket halls at Hammersmith and the one to the rear
of eastbound trains is closer to the exit which takes you across the
H&C / Circle Line station.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...s/1000096.aspx

Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

True, though I don't know why people would change there rather than at
Farringdon, apart from the lack of step-free access at the latter.


Well, if you're changing between Thameslink and the deep level tube
lines (Northern/Victoria/Piccadilly), it'd be a bit daft to head to
Farringdon and then double-back via the sub-surface (Circle/Met/H&C)
route...

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

I ended up with a very peculiar double charge last weekend. I was
travelling from West Croydon to Stratford via Canada Water. I have a
Z23 Travelcard so expected to get a 2 zone extension charge which was
duly deducted at Stratford. I popped into Westfield and was in time
to get the GA train to T Hale. That is within the availability on my
ticket so no charge should have been made.

However on checking my Oyster account I saw a second charge made on
exit from T Hale. I have had a refund after a chat with the Oyster
help line. The bizarre thing is that the system joined the two
journeys together despite Stratford not being an OSI and then
proceeded to charge me as if I've gone via Zone 1 so it also ignored
the pink validator touch at Canada Water. Even sillier is that there
is an alternative fare for West Croydon to T Hale (NR) via Canada
Water which is the same fare as Stratford.

I have allowed the help line to send the journey details from my
account to the Oyster team so they investigate whatever Gremlin there
is the system that can join journeys together where there is no OSI
and where there is a valid non Z1 fare in the system!

It would be you to get caught!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message

, at 15:34:00 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Recliner
remarked:
Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

True, though I don't know why people would change there rather than at
Farringdon, apart from the lack of step-free access at the latter.

It would be a bit out of the way to go from Luton to (say) Victoria, via
Farringdon.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 15:34:00 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked:
Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

True, though I don't know why people would change there rather than at
Farringdon, apart from the lack of step-free access at the latter.

It would be a bit out of the way to go from Luton to (say) Victoria, via Farringdon.

Yes, as you may have guessed, I was thinking if the sub-surface lines.

In message

, at 02:00:09 on Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Recliner
remarked:
Same thing at KXSP between Thameslink and LU, yes?

Yes (in reference to just one fare being charged).

True, though I don't know why people would change there rather than at
Farringdon, apart from the lack of step-free access at the latter.

It would be a bit out of the way to go from Luton to (say) Victoria, via Farringdon.

Yes, as you may have guessed, I was thinking if the sub-surface lines.

If you were heading east on the subsurface lines anyway, changing at
Farringdon is better (than Kings Cross). Although the paired-by-use
layout ensures the maximum amount of star-climbing is required. [Perhaps
they have lifts too, after the rebuild].

There's a small fly in the ointment though. If someone has arrived on a
"London terminals" ticket, that's not valid to Farringdon, and I presume
therefore it's not strictly allowed to travel to Farringdon and then
touch-in on Oyster from there. (And vice versa on the way home).
--
Roland Perry