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In article , Mizter T wrote:
It's easy enough to look these things up, you know. Inside MOD's tube station: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inside-mods-tube-station Disused tube station sells for £53 million: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/disused-tube-station-sells-for-53-million The information you seek is all there. Interesting links, thankyou ![]() Nick -- "The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life" -- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996 |
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In message , at 21:48:17 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014,
Mizter T remarked: What have they sold: a) the whole site b) just the ground floor (in whatever way it's currently fitted out) and below. c) just the "below ground". ps I'm sort of assuming they haven't sold the platform area and other parts immediately adjacent to the line, on that level. It's easy enough to look these things up, you know. Inside MOD's tube station: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inside-mods-tube-station Disused tube station sells for £53 million: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/disused-tube-station-sells-for-53-million The information you seek is all there. Taking those in reverse order, the £53m story confirms that some of the ground floor has been sold (as well as some subsurface parts) but is no clearer about whether it's just the ground floor. Interesting that there are garages included though (that's why I asked a few days ago if there was any other access to the site, because a large residential property on a central site might well be developed to have underground parking). The "inside" story talks about lift-shafts and "lower western passages". Perhaps some of the site is actually outside the ground-level footprint. What's the opposite of a "flying freehold"? It also partly answers the question about first floor and above, as it has some inside shots taken on the second floor. Of course, the various cadets using the building at the moment have to be found alternative accommodation, so it's not entirely disused at the moment. I wonder if there's some costly maintenance being avoided here? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 21:42:17 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014,
Mizter T remarked: Far better had it been leased out at a peppercorn rate to a museum, who could probably then get lottery money to refurbish and open it. You might not have noticed, but HMG are doing a fair bit of selling off of property that's deemed no longer necessary. They are; there's an old barracks near me that's being sold off for housing (somewhat delayed because of the sudden fall in demand for building land because of the recession). There's another barracks not far away that's been closed, and may well be sold off. That one has caused a bit of bother because the locals used to be allowed to use the sporting facilities, gym etc, but since it's closed they've been evicted. However, the Brompton Rd station is a bit of a special case. -- Roland Perry |
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, at 15:50:00 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: You might not have noticed, but HMG are doing a fair bit of selling off of property that's deemed no longer necessary. Indeed, and apart from the sale proceeds, the activities involved in constructing and occupying the new building will presumably generate on-going tax proceeds (business rates, council tax, VAT, income tax, corporation tax, etc). It will also provide more homes, though probably not exactly "affordable" ones. Had it stayed in MoD ownership, it would have needed maintenance and not generated any income. I was suggesting a museum, which would not have required ongoing MOD-funded maintenance; and would generate on-going proceeds from the conversion and subsequent visitors as well. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:50:00 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: You might not have noticed, but HMG are doing a fair bit of selling off of property that's deemed no longer necessary. Indeed, and apart from the sale proceeds, the activities involved in constructing and occupying the new building will presumably generate on-going tax proceeds (business rates, council tax, VAT, income tax, corporation tax, etc). It will also provide more homes, though probably not exactly "affordable" ones. Had it stayed in MoD ownership, it would have needed maintenance and not generated any income. I was suggesting a museum, which would not have required ongoing MOD-funded maintenance; and would generate on-going proceeds from the conversion and subsequent visitors as well. London museums don't generate any net income. The major ones are free, and even the ones that charge admission certainly don't even cover their operating costs. And it would still be the public purse that was paying for the building maintenance. Some might also suggest that London in general, and the area near Brompton Rd in particular, are already over-served with museums. |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:48:17 on Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Mizter T remarked: What have they sold: a) the whole site b) just the ground floor (in whatever way it's currently fitted out) and below. c) just the "below ground". ps I'm sort of assuming they haven't sold the platform area and other parts immediately adjacent to the line, on that level. It's easy enough to look these things up, you know. Inside MOD's tube station: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/inside-mods-tube-station Disused tube station sells for £53 million: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/disused-tube-station-sells-for-53-million The information you seek is all there. Taking those in reverse order, the £53m story confirms that some of the ground floor has been sold (as well as some subsurface parts) but is no clearer about whether it's just the ground floor. Interesting that there are garages included though (that's why I asked a few days ago if there was any other access to the site, because a large residential property on a central site might well be developed to have underground parking). The "inside" story talks about lift-shafts and "lower western passages". Perhaps some of the site is actually outside the ground-level footprint. What's the opposite of a "flying freehold"? It also partly answers the question about first floor and above, as it has some inside shots taken on the second floor. Of course, the various cadets using the building at the moment have to be found alternative accommodation, so it's not entirely disused at the moment. I wonder if there's some costly maintenance being avoided here? Was it still in use at all? |
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, at 02:04:07 on Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: Of course, the various cadets using the building at the moment have to be found alternative accommodation, so it's not entirely disused at the moment. I wonder if there's some costly maintenance being avoided here? Was it still in use at all? The web pages referenced say that it was still in use by the cadets, and alternative accommodation would be needed. I hope it doesn't cost them £54m to find some! -- Roland Perry |
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, at 02:03:36 on Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: I was suggesting a museum, which would not have required ongoing MOD-funded maintenance; and would generate on-going proceeds from the conversion and subsequent visitors as well. London museums don't generate any net income. Even ones like the wartime museum along the road from the London Dungeon? In any case, residential property doesn't generate net income (other than from the PAYE of cleaners and such, the same as you'd have at a museum. Not even council tax, as central grants are normally required to top that up by about 200% to get to the amount the councils spend. The major ones are free, and even the ones that charge admission certainly don't even cover their operating costs. What's the position for the Covent Garden transport museum? And it would still be the public purse that was paying for the building maintenance. Lottery Funds. Some might also suggest that London in general, and the area near Brompton Rd in particular, are already over-served with museums. They seem to have missed the tube station museum off their tourist guides. Where is it, again? -- Roland Perry |
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On 05/03/2014 08:55, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 02:03:36 on Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: I was suggesting a museum, which would not have required ongoing MOD-funded maintenance; and would generate on-going proceeds from the conversion and subsequent visitors as well. London museums don't generate any net income. Even ones like the wartime museum along the road from the London Dungeon? I think that's now shut. The only good things I ever heard about it were from people who were actually talking about the Cabinet War Rooms. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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![]() "Arthur Figgis" wrote in message o.uk... On 05/03/2014 08:55, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 02:03:36 on Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Recliner remarked: I was suggesting a museum, which would not have required ongoing MOD-funded maintenance; and would generate on-going proceeds from the conversion and subsequent visitors as well. London museums don't generate any net income. Even ones like the wartime museum along the road from the London Dungeon? I think that's now shut. The only good things I ever heard about it were from people who were actually talking about the Cabinet War Rooms. Seems to have closed in 2013, although some confusion on Trip Advisor - latest review is 28-2-14 and he's pretty clear it's not the Cabinet War Rooms he's referring to. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attract...n_England.html Went a few years ago. Not bad, think we had a half price voucher or some such offer. Like quite a few London attractions, full price would have felt very costly. James |
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