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So, again, thank you. It is good to read the words of a decent, humane, poster. Thank you for a well reasoned exposition although I am not sure I am really quite as genteel as you portray! I share your assessment of Harold Wilson, considering him as - well, slippery is the kindest epithet I can think of. There is only one other prime minister who, in my opinion, shared that characteristic but as he is still in the land of the living, I will not name him. Go on!, he's a politician they have armour plated hides!, gotta be TB;?... Guy Gorton -- Tony Sayer |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:42:58 +0000, tony sayer wrote: I share your assessment of Harold Wilson, considering him as - well, slippery is the kindest epithet I can think of. There is only one other prime minister who, in my opinion, shared that characteristic but as he is still in the land of the living, I will not name him. Go on!, he's a politician they have armour plated hides!, gotta be TB;?... Interesting difference between them two ,For all his faults Harold Wilson resisted the calls from the USA to commit British forces to fight in their scrap with North Vietnam. TB couldn't have been more eager. Wilson also resigned earlier than expected, not after years of pressure from his deputy. |
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On 12/03/2014 21:23, Recliner wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:42:58 +0000, tony sayer wrote: I share your assessment of Harold Wilson, considering him as - well, slippery is the kindest epithet I can think of. There is only one other prime minister who, in my opinion, shared that characteristic but as he is still in the land of the living, I will not name him. Go on!, he's a politician they have armour plated hides!, gotta be TB;?... Interesting difference between them two ,For all his faults Harold Wilson resisted the calls from the USA to commit British forces to fight in their scrap with North Vietnam. TB couldn't have been more eager. Wilson also resigned earlier than expected, not after years of pressure from his deputy. Probably due to oncoming ill-health. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 12/03/2014 21:39, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/03/2014 21:23, Recliner wrote: wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 19:42:58 +0000, tony sayer wrote: I share your assessment of Harold Wilson, considering him as - well, slippery is the kindest epithet I can think of. There is only one other prime minister who, in my opinion, shared that characteristic but as he is still in the land of the living, I will not name him. Go on!, he's a politician they have armour plated hides!, gotta be TB;?... Interesting difference between them two ,For all his faults Harold Wilson resisted the calls from the USA to commit British forces to fight in their scrap with North Vietnam. TB couldn't have been more eager. Wilson also resigned earlier than expected, not after years of pressure from his deputy. Probably due to oncoming ill-health. Not because he was a KGB agent who was going to be overthrown in a revolution led by Mountbatten? Or something. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Corrected version. On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:23:50 PM UTC, MB wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:34, Albert wrote: I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: 'I won't shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell.' I get quite amused at all the ranting about people destroying the NHS. All kinds of people have been screaming about it for as long as I've been politically aware, and yet I've yet to see a hospital refusing to treat someone without doing a credit check first. To be honest, after the best part of 40 years of "this government is destroying the NHS", if a future government actually did decide to destroy it, chances are no-one would notice until way too late, because of all the existing noise. We can hope that the NHS is now a fixture in the United Kingdom. I certainly appreciate its availability for my parents. It is an interesting comparison how disrespectful the 'Left' are to anyone on the Right who dies but all the comments from Crow's opponents have been very respectful as happened when another figure of the extreme Left died, Michael Foot. Michael Foot is a man with whom I profoundly disagreed, and yet admired. I am happy he never became PM. But in the words of the late John Enoch Powell "He is [was] not a humbug". He truly believed in his cause. I doubt whether we will see any calls for a national holiday to celebrate his funeral or T Shirts about dancing on his grave. Perhaps the Left should remember this next time some well known figure on the Right dies but on their past record I doubt it. One can but hope. Do not hold your breath on that one. Manners seem to be alien to many of your fellow travelers. The way some on the Left act is frankly embarrassing to anyone who actually cares about progressive social policy. Ranting and screaming and abuse do not progress the agenda of equality and acceptance and celebration of diversity. One would not want to intrude on the left's private family angst. :-) I still do not understand why so many people here in Yorkshire think she was some kind of evil demon for denying their children the "right" to go down the nearest coal mine and suffer a life of toil and industrial disease. Simply put Mrs. Thatcher turned off the money spigot. For years British Coal, British Steel, British Leyland et al had become money absorbing blotting paper, and a national embarrassment. The lady said "no more". This was the right thing to do. Britain now buys inexpensive coal from Eastern Europe, and makes marketable cars (Nissans, Hondas, BMW Minis, etc.) Or that it's somehow a breach of someone's human rights to have to "get on their bike" and go and look for work elsewhere if there isn't any in the locality. But lots of people still express those views, decades later. To me this is strange, going where the opportunities are just seems the natural thing to do. It is the normal thing to do. Although a robust economy is a good job market. The way Leeds has maintained its wealth, changing from the schmutter center, to become a financial center, is admirable, Bradford, not so much. Young people should be encouraged to be mobile. But, families with children have complex obstacle to overcome. In the late eighties I was running a successful business selling my services as a contract programmer. I did very well until Nigel Lawson damaged the economy playing with European "snake", the forerunner of the Euro. Then the market dried up. No one was developing their systems. Mr. Tebbit had advised "get on your bike". So I moved north, making complex arrangements for my better half and four school age children to follow. The effect on my family was anything but good. So, IMHO, labor mobility is only appropriate for some, not all. -- http://www.991fmtalk.com/ The DMZ in Reno |
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"Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? |
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"Jim Hawkins" wrote:
"Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bob-crow-de...father-1439794 |
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On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote:
"Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? |
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, (Recliner) wrote: "Jim Hawkins" wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bob-crow-de...-aneurysm-kill ed-rmt-leader-20-years-after-father-1439794 "Another factor that can increase the risk of heart attacks is stress and family history. Crow's father George also died from a heart attack in the mid-1990s, the Daily Mail reports." OK, it's the Daily Mail, but if it's true it's an absolute clincher, I'm afraid. The only one of my wife's cousins to have died of a heart attack was similar build to Crow and drank a certain amount (accountant to a brewery) but his father died of a heart attack. He died without children so we won't know if the next generation would have had the same problem. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Recliner) wrote: "Jim Hawkins" wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bob-crow-de...-aneurysm-kill ed-rmt-leader-20-years-after-father-1439794 "Another factor that can increase the risk of heart attacks is stress and family history. Crow's father George also died from a heart attack in the mid-1990s, the Daily Mail reports." OK, it's the Daily Mail, but if it's true it's an absolute clincher, I'm afraid. The only one of my wife's cousins to have died of a heart attack was similar build to Crow and drank a certain amount (accountant to a brewery) but his father died of a heart attack. He died without children so we won't know if the next generation would have had the same problem. Although Crow senior was presumably quite a bit older (perhaps mid/late sixties) when he died, as it was only ~20 years ago. |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts
wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? There's a fairly standard set of signs and symptoms. To some extent a heart attack would be the common consequence of varying causes but "Recliner" has already posted the reference to an aneurysm which would probably have become evident during routine tests during the time he was being dealt with at Whipps Cross hospital. |
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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? There's a fairly standard set of signs and symptoms. To some extent a heart attack would be the common consequence of varying causes but "Recliner" has already posted the reference to an aneurysm which would probably have become evident during routine tests during the time he was being dealt with at Whipps Cross hospital. Isn't it true that almost all deaths are ultimately the result of a heart attack? |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:30:46 -0500, Recliner
wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? There's a fairly standard set of signs and symptoms. To some extent a heart attack would be the common consequence of varying causes but "Recliner" has already posted the reference to an aneurysm which would probably have become evident during routine tests during the time he was being dealt with at Whipps Cross hospital. Isn't it true that almost all deaths are ultimately the result of a heart attack? "Heart failure" rather than "heart attack" which now seems to be reserved for when the heart's own blood supply is compromised. Like any other pump, a heart can "fail" from the POV of not being able to function because of external factors as well as just because of an internal fault. "Heart failure" WRT certifying death is regarded as a "mode of dying" ("you should avoid completing the medical certificate with a mode of dying as the /only/ cause of death" [Medical Certificate of Cause of Death - Notes for Doctors, http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/media/suhtidea...fordoctors.pdf reproduced in similar variations by various NHS bodies]) while "heart attack" doesn't actually get a mention; modern death registrations IME tend to be fairly specific about which bit has failed where and how but can still "lead in" to the root cause via something that by itself would be vague. One in front of me ATM starts with "Respiratory failure" which is effectively on the banned list in the form "respiratory arrest" but it is then further qualified with "Emphysema". OTOH there are effective exceptions such as "Old Age" which can be used for over 70s if there is in practice an absence of a more specific cause; in the Queen Mother's case, she managed a single cause of "Extreme Old Age" while my 89y old grandmother had everything listed except old age. |
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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:30:46 -0500, Recliner wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? There's a fairly standard set of signs and symptoms. To some extent a heart attack would be the common consequence of varying causes but "Recliner" has already posted the reference to an aneurysm which would probably have become evident during routine tests during the time he was being dealt with at Whipps Cross hospital. Isn't it true that almost all deaths are ultimately the result of a heart attack? "Heart failure" rather than "heart attack" which now seems to be reserved for when the heart's own blood supply is compromised. Like any other pump, a heart can "fail" from the POV of not being able to function because of external factors as well as just because of an internal fault. "Heart failure" WRT certifying death is regarded as a "mode of dying" ("you should avoid completing the medical certificate with a mode of dying as the /only/ cause of death" [Medical Certificate of Cause of Death - Notes for Doctors, http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/media/suhtidea...fordoctors.pdf reproduced in similar variations by various NHS bodies]) while "heart attack" doesn't actually get a mention; modern death registrations IME tend to be fairly specific about which bit has failed where and how but can still "lead in" to the root cause via something that by itself would be vague. One in front of me ATM starts with "Respiratory failure" which is effectively on the banned list in the form "respiratory arrest" but it is then further qualified with "Emphysema". OTOH there are effective exceptions such as "Old Age" which can be used for over 70s if there is in practice an absence of a more specific cause; in the Queen Mother's case, she managed a single cause of "Extreme Old Age" while my 89y old grandmother had everything listed except old age. Yes, I was confusing heart attack and heart failure. |
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:03:36 -0500, Recliner
wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:30:46 -0500, Recliner wrote: Charles Ellson wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? There's a fairly standard set of signs and symptoms. To some extent a heart attack would be the common consequence of varying causes but "Recliner" has already posted the reference to an aneurysm which would probably have become evident during routine tests during the time he was being dealt with at Whipps Cross hospital. Isn't it true that almost all deaths are ultimately the result of a heart attack? "Heart failure" rather than "heart attack" which now seems to be reserved for when the heart's own blood supply is compromised. Like any other pump, a heart can "fail" from the POV of not being able to function because of external factors as well as just because of an internal fault. "Heart failure" WRT certifying death is regarded as a "mode of dying" ("you should avoid completing the medical certificate with a mode of dying as the /only/ cause of death" [Medical Certificate of Cause of Death - Notes for Doctors, http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/media/suhtidea...fordoctors.pdf reproduced in similar variations by various NHS bodies]) while "heart attack" doesn't actually get a mention; modern death registrations IME tend to be fairly specific about which bit has failed where and how but can still "lead in" to the root cause via something that by itself would be vague. One in front of me ATM starts with "Respiratory failure" which is effectively on the banned list in the form "respiratory arrest" but it is then further qualified with "Emphysema". OTOH there are effective exceptions such as "Old Age" which can be used for over 70s if there is in practice an absence of a more specific cause; in the Queen Mother's case, she managed a single cause of "Extreme Old Age" while my 89y old grandmother had everything listed except old age. Yes, I was confusing heart attack and heart failure. I used to get a flea in the ear for lumping together heart attacks and coronary thromboses but ATM they're together in the First Aid manual; unfortunately there's a new edition due out so something is bound to have changed as well as the resuscitation protocol. |
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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? Not by doctors. Journalists could do a lot better. |
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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? Not by doctors. Journalists could do a lot better. Presumably they reported what they were told. |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:50:34 -0000, "Jim Hawkins"
wrote: "Charles Ellson" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 20:52:27 +0000, Tim Watts wrote: On 13/03/14 20:46, Jim Hawkins wrote: "Peter Able" stuck@home wrote in message ... "Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... Has it been revealed what he died of ? They announced a heart attach quite early on. Now that is pre autopsy, but heart attacks aren't normally mis-diagnosed that much, surely? Not by doctors. Journalists could do a lot better. Some poisons (e.g. potassium chloride) can cause similar signs but the circumstances in which someone is found will often give the game away. Also some poisons are themselves medicines with a rather thin line between a medicinal dose and a lethal dose cough!Shipman/cough!; one person's daily dose of heroin is another's first and last dose of diamorphine, it has been alleged that George V was helped on his way with morphine and cocaine. |
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On 14/03/14 07:50, Jim Hawkins wrote:
Not by doctors. Is it not still the case that around 40% of all medical diagnoses are found to be wrong in autopsies? Ian |
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On 14/03/14 08:29, Charles Ellson wrote:
it has been alleged that George V was helped on his way with morphine and cocaine. As are lots of people - well, with morphine anyway - and often by doctors who would profess opposition to assisted dying. The peculiar claim about George V was that his doctors bumped him off a wee bit early so that his death would appear first in the morning papers, which were more prestigious than the evening ones. Bugger Bognor. Ian |
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:29:33 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote: Some poisons (e.g. potassium chloride) can cause similar signs but the Actually it seems to be a bit of a myth that KCl is a poison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride "Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). However, this is not far from oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt), of 3.75 g/kg" As for Bob Crow who I haven't commented on yet - I'm tired of this "'e was a good ole geezer 'n' looked after 'is own" schtick. Thats what they said about the Krays. He might have loved his mum and come out with a few well timed wisecracks, but this was the **** who frequently brought London to a halt so his already overpaid bone idle members could get even more money for doing sod all, plus he was an unreconstructed communist who idolised that piece of scum Chavez. Also looking at the state of the fat sod in pictures he only had himself to blame for his heart attack. I'm sure his family will miss him but I for one won't. Perhaps without him some sensible negotiations can take place at TfL in the future. -- Spud |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 16:08:52 +0000, The Real Doctor
wrote: On 14/03/14 07:50, Jim Hawkins wrote: Not by doctors. Is it not still the case that around 40% of all medical diagnoses are found to be wrong in autopsies? Some of it appears to be what is meant by "wrong". Someone carrying out an autopsy has the advantage of being able to have a good poke around and get things tested while e.g. a GP is limited to what can be detected from outside by mostly non-destructive means. While this can often find something undiagnosed or missed/ignored (and not necessarily relevant for consideration) it won't always change the substantive cause of death. A Grauniad article from 2012 :- http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...-four-patients refers to a study in England and Wales finding that "In 40% of the cases where there were mistakes" (possibly tracing back to the same source as yours) but some were "Chicken and Egg" cases as with the pneumonia v. lung cancer example in the article and others concerned whether or not certain diagnoses which were correct should also have been reported to a Coroner. |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:05:27 GMT, d wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:29:33 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: Some poisons (e.g. potassium chloride) can cause similar signs but the Actually it seems to be a bit of a myth that KCl is a poison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride "Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). However, this is not far from oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt), of 3.75 g/kg" As for Bob Crow who I haven't commented on yet - I'm tired of this "'e was a good ole geezer 'n' looked after 'is own" schtick. That is an awfully yiddish word, :-) Thats what they said about the Krays. He might have loved his mum and come out with a few well timed wisecracks, but this was the **** who frequently brought London to a halt so his already overpaid bone idle members could get even more money for doing sod all, plus he was an unreconstructed communist who idolised that piece of scum Chavez. Also looking at the state of the fat sod in pictures he only had himself to blame for his heart attack. I'm sure his family will miss him but I for one won't. Perhaps without him some sensible negotiations can take place at TfL in the future. But, one hopes you would agree that there is a difference between constructive criticism, and dancing on someone's grave. Anyone who is supporter of the PLO is hardly likely to have my support. Just the same one maintains a sense of dignity and decorum at the news of anyone's demise. Moreover, the problem on London's rail transit system was not Bob Crow; it was the people who voted him into office. Fortunately for the rest of us, the driverless tube train is on the horizon. -- http://www.991fmtalk.com/ The DMZ in Reno |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:45:17 -0700, Aurora wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:05:27 GMT, d wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:29:33 +0000 Charles Ellson wrote: Some poisons (e.g. potassium chloride) can cause similar signs but the Actually it seems to be a bit of a myth that KCl is a poison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_chloride "Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). However, this is not far from oral toxicity of sodium chloride (table salt), of 3.75 g/kg" As for Bob Crow who I haven't commented on yet - I'm tired of this "'e was a good ole geezer 'n' looked after 'is own" schtick. That is an awfully yiddish word, :-) Thats what they said about the Krays. He might have loved his mum and come out with a few well timed wisecracks, but this was the **** who frequently brought London to a halt so his already overpaid bone idle members could get even more money for doing sod all, plus he was an unreconstructed communist who idolised that piece of scum Chavez. Also looking at the state of the fat sod in pictures he only had himself to blame for his heart attack. I'm sure his family will miss him but I for one won't. Perhaps without him some sensible negotiations can take place at TfL in the future. But, one hopes you would agree that there is a difference between constructive criticism, and dancing on someone's grave. Anyone who is supporter of the PLO is hardly likely to have my support. Just the same one maintains a sense of dignity and decorum at the news of anyone's demise. Moreover, the problem on London's rail transit system was not Bob Crow; it was the people who voted him into office. Fortunately for the rest of us, the driverless tube train is on the horizon. Best place for it ? |
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:45:17 -0700
Aurora wrote: I'm sure his family will miss him but I for one won't. Perhaps without him some sensible negotiations can take place at TfL in the future. But, one hopes you would agree that there is a difference between constructive criticism, and dancing on someone's grave. Crow like a lot of the left wasn't too put off about dancing on Thatchers grave so if someone wants to dance on his - and that halfwit romanticising socialist toff Tony Benn's - then I'd wish them good luck. Moreover, the problem on London's rail transit system was not Bob Crow; it was the people who voted him into office. Its not voting him into office thats the problem - its supporting almost every idiotic strike he came up with that ****es me off about LU drivers. These muppets earn 54K for a job thats to all intents and purposes is just pushing a lever backwards and forwards. And on the automatic lines pretty much all they have to do to earn that money is stay awake between stations. Bus drivers do a much more stressful job and get half the pay. Fortunately for the rest of us, the driverless tube train is on the horizon. Much as I'd like to see the drivers collecting their P45s en-masse, I still want to see staff on board a tube in case of emergencies and the best place for them is up the front on deep level lines where's theres no way to walk alongside the train. So I'm not sure Boris's idea of driverless trains is really going to work. -- Spud |
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