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On 11/03/2014 10:12, Recliner wrote:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Confirmed by BBC News. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325 -- Peter Crosland |
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On 11/03/2014 10:12, Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Blimey. 52 years of age. He was the subject of an interesting piece - a quasi-interview really - which was broadcast yesterday on Radio 4's PM programme, where journalist Becky Milligan took Bob Crow to lunch. Worth a listen - around 7 minutes in duration. Starts at 49mins 45secs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xdk8q |
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On 11/03/2014 10:12, Recliner wrote:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325 -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:12:08 -0500, Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. See my other post re the recent R4 'interview lunch' with him. Two points I remember from listening to it yesterday - the first is that he was brought up in a pretty poor East End home, which inevitably guided his politics. The second is that he said he won pay rises for his members throughout his leadership of the union, including the "austerity years" (the term he used). Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. Comments sections of newspaper websites are best avoided - for all the egalitarian notions of new technologies giving readers a voice, the shrill and vile nonsense that seems to all too easily flow doesn't really do much for one's view of human nature. |
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2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. -- Roland Perry |
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On 11/03/2014 10:20, Peter Crosland wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:12, Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Confirmed by BBC News. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325 Tweet just now from TfL, comments from the Commissioner of Transport for London: "Sir Peter Hendy: Shocked by this terribly sad & unexpected news. Our thoughts are with Bob Crow's family, friends & all those he represented" https://twitter.com/TfLOfficial/status/443339012867366912 |
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Mizter T wrote:
On 11/03/2014 10:20, Peter Crosland wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:12, Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Confirmed by BBC News. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325 Tweet just now from TfL, comments from the Commissioner of Transport for London: "Sir Peter Hendy: Shocked by this terribly sad & unexpected news. Our thoughts are with Bob Crow's family, friends & all those he represented" https://twitter.com/TfLOfficial/status/443339012867366912 And from Boris: "@MayorofLondon: Sad news about Bob Crow. We may have differed politically but he was a man of character who fought tirelessly his members." |
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On 11/03/2014 10:57, Mizter T wrote: [...] Tweet just now from TfL, comments from the Commissioner of Transport for London: "Sir Peter Hendy: Shocked by this terribly sad & unexpected news. Our thoughts are with Bob Crow's family, friends & all those he represented" https://twitter.com/TfLOfficial/status/443339012867366912 Further comments via BBC Local Live (London)... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/london/ * Boris Johnson pays tribute 10:42: In a statement, London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "I'm shocked. Bob Crow was a fighter and a man of character. "Whatever our political differences, and there were many, this is tragic news." ~ * 'A sad day' 10:45: Mr Johnson added: "Bob fought tirelessly for his beliefs and for his members. "There can be absolutely no doubt that he played a big part in the success of the Tube, and he shared my goal to make transport in London an even greater success. It's a sad day." ~ * 10:31: Former Mayor of London Ken Livingstone said said: "I assumed he would be at my funeral not me at his." He told Sky News: "He fought really hard for his members. The only working-class people who still have well-paid jobs in London are his members. With the passage of time people will come to see that people like Bob Crow did a very good job." |
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On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:12:08 -0500, Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. All in all, not as bad as it could be. I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell. Read mo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2veY3F2wb Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-died-52.html |
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In article , Roland Perry
scribeth thus In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. Jesus!, and I grumble about me arthritis at 62 ;(.. Poor sod .. that's no age at all:(.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/...tj.ehu033.full PA |
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On 11/03/2014 11:34, Albert wrote:
On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. All in all, not as bad as it could be. I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell. Actually, there must be people all over the country (but especially among the commuting population of the Home Counties) who are ever so slightly tempted to say something similar of Mr Crow - but are far too polite and fair-minded to do so. So they either stay silent or follow the widely-observed social convention that "any man's death diminishes me" and extend sympathy and condolences to Mr Crow's family, colleagues and friends. And quite right too. |
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On 11/03/2014 10:44, Mizter T wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. [My comments snipped] Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. Comments sections of newspaper websites are best avoided - for all the egalitarian notions of new technologies giving readers a voice, the shrill and vile nonsense that seems to all too easily flow doesn't really do much for one's view of human nature. I realise on re-reading this that when you said "comments section" of newspapers of course you meant just that, the section of the paper with columnists and talking heads, as opposed to my interpretation of readers (often completely inane or just plain nasty) comments at the bottom of the webpage. |
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JNugent wrote:
On 11/03/2014 11:34, Albert wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. All in all, not as bad as it could be. I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: âI wonât shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell.â Actually, there must be people all over the country (but especially among the commuting population of the Home Counties) who are ever so slightly tempted to say something similar of Mr Crow - but are far too polite and fair-minded to do so. So they either stay silent or follow the widely-observed social convention that "any man's death diminishes me" and extend sympathy and condolences to Mr Crow's family, colleagues and friends. And quite right too. Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary (lots of readers' comments, quite a few of which support him): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...-obituary.html Bob Crow, who has died aged 52, reportedly of a heart attack, was for more than a decade the uncompromisingly militant leader of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT), and a target of public, media and political anger through his belief in strike action as a first step rather than a last resort. A bull-necked London dockerâs son who gathered around him a cadre of class warriors, Crow came to prominence resisting John Majorâs privatisation of the railways. Denouncing it as âvandalismâ intended to put money into shareholdersâ pockets, he was hard put to explain the unexpected doubling in passenger numbers that followed. Both before and after his election as the RMTâs general secretary in 2002, Crow dismissed any new government initiative toward the railways as an attack on his members that would maximise profits while putting passengersâ lives at risk. Renationalisation was his panacea, and for a time he sought to bring it about through coordinated strikes, once disrupting seven train operators out of 25 over local grievances. Crow rated himself a âCommunist-Socialistâ, belonging in turn to the Communist Party, its hard-line successor based around the Morning Star, his idol Arthur Scargillâs Socialist Labour Party and finally no party at all. He opposed the EU and the monarchy (wanting Tony Benn for president as a âtrue representative of working peopleâ), and believed in the death penalty. His relationship with Labour was even worse than with the Tories. Crow accused Tony Blair of having âsquandered a massive landslide from an electorate hungry for changeâ and of pouring âbillions of public pounds into private pockets and [accelerating] the growing gap between rich and poorâ. He had John Prescott, a former official of the union, expelled for failing to renationalise the railways, then resigned from the board of Transport for London after the exasperated mayor, Ken Livingstone, urged workers to cross the RMTâs latest picket line. In 2004 Labour expelled the RMT from the party. Crow personified his unionâs motto of âAgitate, Educate, Organiseâ, but also shared with his beloved Millwall FC the unofficial slogan: âNobody likes us, and we donât careâ. His industrial tactics â learned from Scargill â were crude. Negotiators from other unions would look on in despair as Crow opened a meeting with Network Rail or some other employer by leading his acolytes out before the talking had begun. Often his first step was a strike ballot, with negotiations only on the eve of disruption, if then. He once told West End retailers who warned that another Tube strike would put them out of business that they would be âcasualties of warâ. Yet rail industry managers acknowledged that once Crow had driven a bargain, he kept his word. And on his watch, friction between the RMT and the other two rail unions, Aslef â whose members it had tried to poach â and the Transport Salaried Staff Association gave way to cooperation. Despite his public face, Crow was a man of considerable intelligence, and his strategy bore some fruit. Membership of the RMT rose consistently during his years in charge, as the headcount in other unions continued to shrink. Tube train driversâ pay topped ÂŁ50,000 a year by 2012, and wages across the industry increased faster than the average. And though the railways were not renationalised, Network Rail did bring track maintenance in-house after a couple of fatal lapses, and a government-backed company took over the East Coast rail franchise after two private operators handed back the keys. Opening the unionâs education centre at Doncaster in 2012, Crow said: âThe RMT is sending a warning to both the boss class and the political class that this trade union is building for the future with plans to train up and tool up hundreds of new militant activists who will drive the RMTâs brand of industrial trade unionism deep into workplaces the length and breadth of the land.â That militancy originated not just with Crow but with a number of others who had infiltrated the industry â and especially London Underground â during the 1980s, the far Left groups they belonged to having concluded that British industry was now too weak for there to be any point in subverting it. Key lieutenants included Pat Sikorski, a Trotskyist university graduate and Tube guard whose attempted sacking in 1993 brought chaos to the Central Line; and Greg Tucker, secretary of the RMTâs Waterloo branch which in British Rail days had stood almost alone to block the operation of trains without guards. Crow sought to spread his brand of activism across the entire trade union movement. He consistently backed any group of workers with a local axe to grind in the hope of heightening militancy and creating fresh opportunities for action. Never possessing a driving licence, Crow travelled everywhere by public transport. He continued to live in his council house at Hainault, north-east London, despite enjoying a six-figure pay package and lavish union entertaining. His lifestyle occasionally made the headlines, notably earlier this year when he was photographed on a luxury winter sun cruise from Barbados to Brazil. Three days after he returned from the three-week jaunt, 10,000 of his union members walked out on strike, causing chaos for commuters in London. The RMTâs appointment of Crowâs wife to run its credit union also caused consternation; he explained that she had been the only applicant. Robert Crow was born at Shadwell in the East End of London on June 13 1961, the son of George Crow and the former Lillian Hutton. The family moved to Hainault when he was small. He determined to be a footballer, but gave up after having âa really hard time getting into the school teamâ at Hainault Forest High School. He left at 16 to join the Underground, whose Central Line depot is the main local employer. He began watering plants in the chairmanâs office and making tea for maintenance workers, but by 18 was working on one of the Tubeâs track gangs which have traditionally produced rugged and colourful personalities. When Crow fell out with his foreman, he took his case to a union meeting; before long he was making his name in the National Union of Railwaymen as a compelling speaker and canny organiser of strikes. By 1990 when it merged with the National Union of Seamen, he was on the NURâs national executive. In 1994 Crow was elected the RMTâs assistant general secretary, and his influence grew as Jimmy Knapp, the unionâs long-serving leader, wound down. It was Crow who in 1996 warned Blair against âinterferingâ when the Labour leader, with an election nearing, urged Tube drivers to call off a series of strikes. When Knapp died in harness in 2001, Crow went for the leadership. On New Yearâs Eve two men attacked him near his home with an iron bar; he blamed âmuscleâ sent, he claimed, by the employers. Crow polled twice as many votes as both his rivals put together, and in February 2002 took office as general secretary, installing busts of Marx and Lenin in his office. He also joined the TUC general council. He started by ordering an audit of the unionâs properties. Discovering that Prescott was just about to purchase his subsidised union flat under âRight to Buyâ, Crow vetoed the deal, saying the deputy prime minister could afford the market price. The RMT halted the Underground four times in three months over driversâ pay, ending the action only when Livingstone promised arbitration as soon as he was installed as mayor. Within two years, Livingstone had had enough of continuing disruption. A decade later Boris Johnson, standing for re-election, put up posters warning that if Livingstone came back, so would Crow. Crow sued for libel and lost; Johnson narrowly fought off Livingstone. In 2009 Crow stood for the European Parliament on the âNo2EUâ ticket, polling 17,758 votes across London. He was also a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Controversial to the end, he made his last media appearance the evening before he died, telling Radio 4âs PM programme that MPs deserved a pay rise. Millwall apart, he was interested in boxing, darts and meteorology. Bob Crow is survived by his wife, Nicola Hoarau, a son and three daughters. |
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"Peter Able" stuck@home wrote:
"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:51:19 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:44 on Tue, 11 Mar 2014, Graeme Wall remarked: B----y hell, he wasn't that old. 52 according to the BBC Mortality rate for a man that age is low, but not insignificant; around 7% of men will die in their 50's. He didn't, perhaps, have the healthiest of lifestyles... http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/...tj.ehu033.full RMT tribute at Coventry Garden Tube station: http://www.lbc.co.uk/tube-staffs-hea...bob-crow-87219 |
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On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote:
Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 11/03/2014 21:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Hence the repeated anouncement of the death of the Queen Mother over the years by excitable journos seeing the obit being updated. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:17:57 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote: On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Ditto with the obituary films on television which often get re-edited as a tribute to the ones who outrun the Grim Reaper. |
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On 11/03/2014 21:26, Recliner wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote: On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. They've got to be ready - imagine being a newspaper or broadcaster which had thought "Diana's only 36", "Elvis is only 42", etc. Or maybe they bumped him off... -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:47:32 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote: On 11/03/2014 21:26, Recliner wrote: Arthur Figgis wrote: On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. They've got to be ready - imagine being a newspaper or broadcaster which had thought "Diana's only 36", "Elvis is only 42", etc. Or maybe they bumped him off... I hear there were rumours of a peer riding an unlit racehorse away from the scene. |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:38:06 +0000, JNugent
wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:34, Albert wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. All in all, not as bad as it could be. I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell. I rather think she heard the words "Well done, good and faithful servant; .... Enter into the joy of your lord." Actually, there must be people all over the country (but especially among the commuting population of the Home Counties) who are ever so slightly tempted to say something similar of Mr Crow - but are far too polite and fair-minded to do so. Indeed. At this time Mr. Crow's family and friends are suffering an irreplaceable loss. The do not need to their dear one lambasted in public. So they either stay silent or follow the widely-observed social convention that "any man's death diminishes me" and extend sympathy and condolences to Mr Crow's family, colleagues and friends. That is exactly so. Harold Wilson was a man who IMHO caused great damage to the United Kingdom. His death was not something over which I rejoiced. There were those suffering an acute sense of loss. It never occured to me that someone's death was something about which one rejoiced. And quite right too. Mr. Nugent you have shown yourself a gentleman. Your contribution to this thread is appreciated. There are other posters of noble spirit here of course. Mr. Gorton is the epitemony of the genteel person which during my childhood we were encourage to admire, and seek to emulate. Further to the left we have Mr. Masson, a man generous to a fault sharing his abundant knowledge. Mr. Price is always on hand to clearly express a left of centre view. He does it inoffensively; he just makes his case sans rancor. If I have left out anyone of refined, well mannered, distinction it was certainly not deliberate. At the time of the late Baroness Thatcher's passing, I was more than dismayed at the vicious show of meanness exhibited in uk.railway. I learned just how low some of the group's low-lifes are. The lack of dignity, decency, even humanity was disturbing. My kill file grew greatly that week. Surely the Thatcher family and those who loved her deserved time, and respect, as they dealt with their grief. So, again, thank you. It is good to read the words of a decent, humane, poster. -- http://www.991fmtalk.com/ The DMZ in Reno |
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On 11/03/2014 21:26, Recliner wrote:
Arthur Figgis wrote: On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. They'd have had one sketched out for him from the moment he became head of the union. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On 11/03/2014 21:47, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 11/03/2014 21:26, Recliner wrote: Arthur Figgis wrote: On 11/03/2014 16:13, Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. They've got to be ready - imagine being a newspaper or broadcaster which had thought "Diana's only 36", "Elvis is only 42", etc. Or maybe they bumped him off... It was Elvis driving the Fiat Panda. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:15:39 -0700, Aurora wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:38:06 +0000, JNugent wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:34, Albert wrote: On 11/03/2014 10:22, Paul Corfield wrote: Recliner wrote: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-...bob-crow-dies/ Interesting to listen to a decent set of comments from the BBC's Norman Smith about Bob Crow. He recognised that Mr Crow was a shrewd political operator and good in dealing with the media. I can't recall when I heard anyone give a decent overview of the man rather than just portray him as a villain. Mr Crow's appearance on the Sunday Politics a few weeks ago was great fun with him offering to take over from Andrew Neil - provided he got Mr Neil's money for doing so. I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. All in all, not as bad as it could be. I love the quote from Bob about Thatcher: I wont shed one single tear over her death. She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell. I rather think she heard the words "Well done, good and faithful servant; .... Enter into the joy of your lord." Actually, there must be people all over the country (but especially among the commuting population of the Home Counties) who are ever so slightly tempted to say something similar of Mr Crow - but are far too polite and fair-minded to do so. Indeed. At this time Mr. Crow's family and friends are suffering an irreplaceable loss. The do not need to their dear one lambasted in public. So they either stay silent or follow the widely-observed social convention that "any man's death diminishes me" and extend sympathy and condolences to Mr Crow's family, colleagues and friends. That is exactly so. Harold Wilson was a man who IMHO caused great damage to the United Kingdom. His death was not something over which I rejoiced. There were those suffering an acute sense of loss. It never occured to me that someone's death was something about which one rejoiced. And quite right too. Mr. Nugent you have shown yourself a gentleman. Your contribution to this thread is appreciated. There are other posters of noble spirit here of course. Mr. Gorton is the epitemony of the genteel person which during my childhood we were encourage to admire, and seek to emulate. Further to the left we have Mr. Masson, a man generous to a fault sharing his abundant knowledge. Mr. Price is always on hand to clearly express a left of centre view. He does it inoffensively; he just makes his case sans rancor. If I have left out anyone of refined, well mannered, distinction it was certainly not deliberate. At the time of the late Baroness Thatcher's passing, I was more than dismayed at the vicious show of meanness exhibited in uk.railway. I learned just how low some of the group's low-lifes are. The lack of dignity, decency, even humanity was disturbing. My kill file grew greatly that week. Surely the Thatcher family and those who loved her deserved time, and respect, as they dealt with their grief. So, again, thank you. It is good to read the words of a decent, humane, poster. Thank you for a well reasoned exposition although I am not sure I am really quite as genteel as you portray! I share your assessment of Harold Wilson, considering him as - well, slippery is the kindest epithet I can think of. There is only one other prime minister who, in my opinion, shared that characteristic but as he is still in the land of the living, I will not name him. Guy Gorton |
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:22:41AM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. When I looked at the Telegraph article it took about two inches for the readers' comments to compare him to Hitler. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world " Suppose... there should be a law made that all black men should be imprisoned, it would be unreasonable and we had as little reason to quarrel with other men for being of different [religious] opinions as for being of different complexions. " -- James II, King of England overthrown by bigots for his tolerant beliefs |
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On 2014-03-12 12:27:08 +0000, David Cantrell said:
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:22:41AM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote: I dread to think what the "rent a gobs" in the comments section in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard will make of the news. When I looked at the Telegraph article it took about two inches for the readers' comments to compare him to Hitler. Didn't Crow try to set up the Third Rail. E. |
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Recliner wrote:
Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. Anyone can die young and also this allows the main incidents in their public life to be recorded at the time. It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. -- My blog: http://adf.ly/4hi4c |
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On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. Anyone can die young and also this allows the main incidents in their public life to be recorded at the time. It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. Anyone can die young and also this allows the main incidents in their public life to be recorded at the time. It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. Didn't that happen in Glasgow in the 2012 Olympics? The DPRK women's football team were not amused to see the South Korean flag: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18993023 |
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On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: [...] It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. AFAIAA there was no such musical muddle up during the London Olympics and Paralympics - though they did manage to show the wrong Korean flag before a footie match at Hampden Park: http://news.sky.com/story/965134/olympics-anger-over-north-korean-flag-blunder |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:36:48 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Recliner wrote: Many of those commuters are Telegraph readers. Here's its surprisingly rapid obituary They have the obituaries of suitably famous people ready and waiting for years, they don't wait until someone actually croaks before writing them. Yes, of course, but I didn't expect them to be so well prepared for a 52-year old. Anyone can die young and also this allows the main incidents in their public life to be recorded at the time. It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. Or the wrong flag flown as happened when North Korea were playing in the 2012 Olympics. |
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On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/kazakhstan/9165841/Kuwaitis-mistakenly-play-Borats-Kazakh-national-anthem-at-medals-ceremony.html Or http://tinyurl.com/7mptpl9 -- Phil Cook |
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On 12/03/2014 17:49, Mizter T wrote:
On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: [...] It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. AFAIAA there was no such musical muddle up during the London Olympics and Paralympics - though they did manage to show the wrong Korean flag before a footie match at Hampden Park: http://news.sky.com/story/965134/olympics-anger-over-north-korean-flag-blunder A spoof Kazakh anthem from the Borat film was played at a sporting event in Kuwait. The winner (understandably) appears to have no idea what is being played, but can recognise the word Kazakhstan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:13:15 +0000, Phil Cook
wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Not unknown to play the wrong anthem at such times. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/kazakhstan/9165841/Kuwaitis-mistakenly-play-Borats-Kazakh-national-anthem-at-medals-ceremony.html Or http://tinyurl.com/7mptpl9 Another variation on the theme was a rugby or football international a few years back when either Scotland or Wales were playing Ireland. The band struck up with Amhrán na bhFiann/The Soldiers Song and the commentator parachuted in from London promptly announced it as the other team's anthem and didn't seem to realise his mistake until the second anthem was played. |
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On 12/03/2014 18:27, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:13:15 +0000, Phil Cook wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Another variation on the theme was a rugby or football international a few years back when either Scotland or Wales were playing Ireland. The band struck up with Amhrán na bhFiann/The Soldiers Song and the commentator parachuted in from London promptly announced it as the other team's anthem and didn't seem to realise his mistake until the second anthem was played. I think in the case of rugby if Ireland are playing in the Republic they get two anthems since the actual National Anthem (Amhrán na bhFiann which was originally composed in English) is played as well as the rugby team's anthem of Ireland's Call. -- Phil Cook |
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:57:43 +0000, Phil Cook
wrote: On 12/03/2014 18:27, Charles Ellson wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:13:15 +0000, Phil Cook wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:36, Graeme Wall wrote: On 12/03/2014 17:09, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: It's like the Olympics - they have to prepare every single competiting country's national anthem just in case an obscure country wins a gold medal and it has to be played immediately - which happens more often than you'd think. Another variation on the theme was a rugby or football international a few years back when either Scotland or Wales were playing Ireland. The band struck up with Amhrán na bhFiann/The Soldiers Song and the commentator parachuted in from London promptly announced it as the other team's anthem and didn't seem to realise his mistake until the second anthem was played. I think in the case of rugby if Ireland are playing in the Republic they get two anthems since the actual National Anthem (Amhrán na bhFiann which was originally composed in English) is played as well as the rugby team's anthem of Ireland's Call. This was a few years back when the internationals weren't as consistently organised (broadcast wise) as they are now; in the past not all games were shown and you could be chasing them via French, Italian or Georgian television if you wanted more than the radio commentary. The worst that seems to happen now is when the subtitler hits the wrong button as an anthem starts but that is usually corrected within seconds suggesting a case of traditional finger trouble rather than not knowing their Arne from their Elgar. |
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