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Fatality at Balham?
Any idea what happened at Balham station today? No trains were
stopping there this morning and all services were severely delayed (up to an hour or more). The announcements just mentioned a fatality without giving any other details. Chris |
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"Chris Small" wrote in message
... Any idea what happened at Balham station today? No trains were stopping there this morning and all services were severely delayed (up to an hour or more). The announcements just mentioned a fatality without giving any other details. Chris From BBC London "News in Brief" Body found on tracks A body has been found on the tracks at Balham railway station in south-west London, it has been confirmed. A spokesman for British Transport Police said the body was discovered about 0100 GMT on Wednesday. The body has not yet been identified and it is not known whether the person is male or female. The station was closed on Wednesday morning while British Transport Police investigated the incident. |
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Funny though, the night just before or just after this incident (should be
the same day if converted to GMT) I was dreaming that "I was dreaming [i.e. I dreamed another dream when I was dreaming] at New Cross Gate with one of my friends" (with the station severely different from the real one, as I've never been to UK.). My friend insisted on taking photos on the new ELL stock (Can't imagine!!?) STANDING ON THE TRACK, and refuse to get onto the platform when I tried to rescue him with my umbrella. I decided to flee at last and when I just about to get outside the station I saw a train approaching the track where my friend would be. When I "got up" for the first time, I switched on my computer and saw an "one-under" 3D computer graphic, then I knew that my friend "was dead". Soon after I was about to leave the room I woke up "again", and this time I need to go to the university for lessons. Of course, neither my friend and I was involved in any "one-under" accident in UK, as both of us are Hong-kongers and have never been to UK. Henry wrote in message ... "Chris Small" wrote in message ... Any idea what happened at Balham station today? No trains were stopping there this morning and all services were severely delayed (up to an hour or more). The announcements just mentioned a fatality without giving any other details. Chris From BBC London "News in Brief" Body found on tracks A body has been found on the tracks at Balham railway station in south-west London, it has been confirmed. A spokesman for British Transport Police said the body was discovered about 0100 GMT on Wednesday. The body has not yet been identified and it is not known whether the person is male or female. The station was closed on Wednesday morning while British Transport Police investigated the incident. |
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"Henry" wrote in message ...
"Chris Small" wrote in message ... Any idea what happened at Balham station today? No trains were stopping there this morning and all services were severely delayed (up to an hour or more). The announcements just mentioned a fatality without giving any other details. Chris From BBC London "News in Brief" Body found on tracks A body has been found on the tracks at Balham railway station in south-west London, it has been confirmed. A spokesman for British Transport Police said the body was discovered about 0100 GMT on Wednesday. The body has not yet been identified and it is not known whether the person is male or female. The station was closed on Wednesday morning while British Transport Police investigated the incident. Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! |
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"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message ... "CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. regards Baloo |
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-- "Baloo" wrote in message ... "Jack Taylor" wrote in message ... "CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. regards Baloo They don't seem to take this amount of time when it's a road accident. Neither do they take so long on other European railways, four hours being about the maximum. On SNCF, at least, a member of the equivalent of the Coroner's staff will accompany the police/fire brigade (the latter cover all first-line response ambulance duties) to the incident scenre to evaluate the evidence. Brian |
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Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not
recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. Which would give people wanting to kill people / dispose of bodies a very good reason to do so on the railways. "Oh, it'll be OK - the police only have 4 hours to investigate this scene and pick up all the forensics, so they'll never connect it to us". Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. |
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"Matt Ashby" wrote in message m... Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/2004 |
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"Baloo" wrote in message ... Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides as it does now, suspicious or otherwise. |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:38:19 -0000, "DJO" djdublo att liamtoh dott
moc wrote: "Matt Ashby" wrote in message om... Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? Because in a road accident the perpetrator is normally one of the drivers involved and generally still present at the scene, with tyre marks on the road/dents in the car/other witnesses present, all of which make working out what happened quite easy. Suspect that in a one-under or similar rail accident it's quite a bit harder to work out what happened and no easy-collectible evidence (no dented cars or tyre marks to photograph). I'd have thought you could show a little more compassion for the victim, it's not like this happens every day. Reserve your vitriol for real incompetences like cracked rails. |
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In message , Matt Ashby
writes Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. There have to be some external parameters. What if there was a death at 7pm on a Friday, and the police said "we want until noon on Monday, because we don't work weekends any more". That's an extreme example, but surely the long time it took to investigate this particular incident points to a lack of immediately available resources, rather than a lot of work being required. -- Roland Perry |
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writes "Baloo" wrote in message ... Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. Before the advances in DNA testing etc., the only thing to do with blood etc. was wash it away, not sample it and record where that sample was taken from. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides as it does now, suspicious or otherwise. -- Five Cats Email to: cats_spam at uk2 dot net |
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it's not like this happens every day.
pedant Actually, on average (according to BTP statistics), it does /pedant -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Hating Thames Trains since 2003" |
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Hardly vitriol! Look at the news today, sadly some poeple died in a road
accident near Liverpool, which is a tragic thing to happen, but the only picture availble on the TV news was that of skid marks on a road even though the time between the accident happening and the TV crews arriving would in all probablility been shorter than the length of time the police took to investigate at Balham. On the roads it seems whn a tragedy happens it is cleared up a.s.a.p, on the railways there is no similar hurry. Maybe my perceptions of these things is wrong, and if so I shall stand corrected, but don't accuse me of vitriol, thanks. It is often all to easy to tell exactly what happened in a suicide by train, the driver is often in these cases the only poor soul to witness the person throwing themselves in front of his train. Even in situations where a road is closed due some tragic situation, the police can divert cars round side roads etc. You cannot easily do that in trains, perhap they should bear that in mind? Or am I being unreasonable? Djo "Pat Duffy" wrote in message ... So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? Because in a road accident the perpetrator is normally one of the drivers involved and generally still present at the scene, with tyre marks on the road/dents in the car/other witnesses present, all of which make working out what happened quite easy. Suspect that in a one-under or similar rail accident it's quite a bit harder to work out what happened and no easy-collectible evidence (no dented cars or tyre marks to photograph). I'd have thought you could show a little more compassion for the victim, it's not like this happens every day. Reserve your vitriol for real incompetences like cracked rails. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 03/02/2004 |
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"DJO" djdublo att liamtoh dott moc wrote in message
... "Matt Ashby" wrote in message m... Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? They aren't. Up here in the Midlands its quite common for roads (I'm talking major commuter routes, not country lanes) to be closed through the morning rush hour following fatal RTA's in the early hours. Jeff. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote: "CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. You are an expert on police procedure and the requirements of Scenes-of-Crimes operations then? They make one false step and everyone from the Home Secretary all the way down to the Sun newspaper is going to jump all over them. They don't need, but certainly get, plenty of cretins complaining because theor oh-so-important journey has been delayed 5 minutes. If they screw up a muder conviction by not getting the forensics right in the first place, those self-same cretins will be the first to start demanding that heads should roll. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"DJO" djdublo att liamtoh dott moc wrote: "Matt Ashby" wrote in message m... Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? Do they? Recently they have shut the M3 for 4+ hours, the M25 for about 6 hours and so-on. And those were for accidents, not suspected murders. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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Roland Perry wrote: In message , Matt Ashby writes Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. There have to be some external parameters. What if there was a death at 7pm on a Friday, and the police said "we want until noon on Monday, because we don't work weekends any more". That's an extreme example, but surely the long time it took to investigate this particular incident points to a lack of immediately available resources, rather than a lot of work being required. Points to nothing of the sort, how do you know what amount of work was required? -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"Jeff McGhie" wrote in message ... So why then when a road accident occurs they clear things up much quicker? They aren't. Up here in the Midlands its quite common for roads (I'm talking major commuter routes, not country lanes) to be closed through the morning rush hour following fatal RTA's in the early hours. Only car-on-car. Remember train crashes often see the line closed for days. Pedestrian killings are regularly mopped up and ignored within an hour or two. Richard |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:57:19 -0000 someone who may be "Richard"
wrote this:- Only car-on-car. Remember train crashes often see the line closed for days. It now seems to be weeks. Pedestrian killings are regularly mopped up and ignored within an hour or two. That's easy. The police blame the pedestrian and don't want to inconvenience the really important motorists. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:49:28 +0000 someone who may be Five Cats
] wrote this:- Before the advances in DNA testing etc., the only thing to do with blood etc. was wash it away, not sample it and record where that sample was taken from. This helps investigation of the cause in what way precisely? -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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David Hansen wrote in message . ..
On 7 Feb 2004 03:10:11 -0800 someone who may be (Matt Ashby) wrote this:- Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. The police are incompetent enough as it is. In fact they are, in common with much of the legal world, one of the last bastions of all that Mrs Thatcher complained about. Giving the police all the time they need sounds to me like the sort of thing party politicians say when they are trying to please the public. I was told by station personnel that the body in question had a knife wound; so hardly a routine fatality. What was amazing was that SC could not organise a diversion as they do at weekends. |
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David Hansen wrote in message . .. On 7 Feb 2004 03:10:11 -0800 someone who may be (Matt Ashby) wrote this:- Surely when investigating a crime, the police should be given all the time that they need. The police are incompetent enough as it is. In fact they are, in common with much of the legal world, one of the last bastions of all that Mrs Thatcher complained about. Giving the police all the time they need sounds to me like the sort of thing party politicians say when they are trying to please the public. I was told by station personnel that the body in question had a knife wound; so hardly a routine fatality. What was amazing was that SC could not organise a diversion as they do at weekends. I suspect that is because during the weekday peak the system is at capacity and it isn't at weekends. There are probably also power-supply issues on any diversion route as well as the route being slower. I was rather suprised though that SCT didn't turn trains at East Croydon - they were still well out by the evening. John. |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. The lack of a contingency plan by SCT for the main lines being closed during the peaks meant services ran up to 180 mins late! Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. On the day in question there were many rumours doing the rounds including that the person was a 14yr old "graffiti artist". Any more news on the truth yet ? I have to say that I was amazed how the Sth central service was still doing at 13.00 when I went to work some 12 hours after the initial incident. Just to show how bad: 13:02 Victoria to Portsmouth CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:03 Victoria to Dorking CANCELLED AT EPSOM 36" Late 13:05 Victoria to Sutton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:06 Victoria to Brighton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:07 Victoria to West Croydon CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:11 Victoria to London Bridge CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:15 Victoria to Caterham CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:17 Victoria to Southampton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:20 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:22 Victoria to London Bridge arrived 50" late having started CJN 13:23 Victoria to East Grinstead CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:25 Victoria to Epsom Downs CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:32 Victoria to Chichester CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:33 Victoria to Horsham Arrived 20" late having started CJN 13:35 Victoria to Sutton CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:36 Victoria to Brighton Ran E Croydon to Brighton only 13:37 Victoria to West Croydon Ran RIGHT TIME Claphm to WC ! 13:41 Victoria to London Bridge Ran 6" late 13:45 Victoria to Caterham CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:47 Victoria to Hastings Ran E Croydon to Eastbourne only 30" late 13:50 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:52 Victoria to London Bridge CANCELLED AT VICTORIA 13:53 Victoria to East Ginstead Ran East Croydon to East grinstead 58" late 13:55 Victoria to Epsom CANCELLED AT VICTORIA !!!! I actually done Selhurst to Kings Cross by CAR instead ! Not something I would normally do even in quite bad times/ Fat Richard |
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Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the
suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides as it does now, suspicious or otherwise. Surely the best option would to check CCTV if there is some and if it shows a push then they can collect the evidence and if there is no CCTV ask the driver and do the same. They can spend time checking pushes, but if its a suicide then they should have no reason to collect DNA etc, -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Hating Thames Trains since 2003" |
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In message , Graeme Wall
writes surely the long time it took to investigate this particular incident points to a lack of immediately available resources, rather than a lot of work being required. Points to nothing of the sort, how do you know what amount of work was required? Simply that 12 hours to recover a body appears excessive. -- Roland Perry |
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Until, of course, its a member of your family that is the victim of the suspicious death, when you would be asking why the police didn't do everything possible at the scene to detect the offender. These things take time, thats a fact of life. It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides as it does now, suspicious or otherwise. Surely the best option would to check CCTV if there is some and if it shows a push then they can collect the evidence and if there is no CCTV ask the driver and do the same. They can spend time checking pushes, but if its a suicide then they should have no reason to collect DNA etc, Pushes? Suicide? Your post was 4 hours after another in the same thread which said that the body had a knife wound. In this instance, it does sound as if a thorough scene-of-crime investigation was justified, whatever we might feel about other railway accidents. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 20:45:14 +0000 someone who may be Graeme Wall
wrote this:- They don't need, but certainly get, plenty of cretins complaining because theor oh-so-important journey has been delayed 5 minutes. Nice try. However, the delays mentioned din this thread are rather more than five minutes. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000. |
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"Fat Richard" wrote in message om... I have to say that I was amazed how the Sth central service was still doing at 13.00 when I went to work some 12 hours after the initial incident. Still as bad at 20:00, when I passed through the area. Numerous up trains running between 20 and 90 minutes late due to the knock-on effect of crew displacement earlier in the day, down trains equally as late if not later, where not cancelled. Victoria concourse awash with irate passengers. Is this any way to run a railway? |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
"CIG_BIG_CIG" wrote in message om... Male person, scene treated as a crime scene by BTP and body not recovered until 1300 approx. Which once again highlights how bloody disgraceful it is that nowadays the police are permitted to cause disruption on such a scale to the general public. Perhaps they should be forced to compensate all of those caught up in their incompetence (as everyone else seems to be expected to these days) - that might focus their minds to get the job done more quickly. Bearing in mind that this incident allegedly occurred at around 01:00 the railway should have been cleared and open for operation by 05:00 at the latest. I take it this is meant as a rather morbid joke? Just in case it isn't .... A body is found, possibly badly damaged - had it been hit by a train? - at 1am and you expect the police to complete their scene-of-crime investigations within a couple of hours, in the middle of the night? By the way, I'm told that the new system is that SOCO's are only called out when it's not known how the body got there, so it could be a murder victim. When railway staff see the person alive - ie clear suicides - it's now handled at a less painstaking level. Nonetheless, if one of my friends or relatives was found dead on a railway at 1am, I'd be a bit upset if no more than a cursory examination of the scene took place. Ian |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
It's only in the last handful of years that it has taken anything like the ludicrous amounts of time that it now takes to resolve such matters. That, despite the significant advances in forensic technology and DNA testing etc. that have been made. No, it's *because* of those advances. If there is a suspicion of murder, it's now worth looking for very, very much smaller pieces of evidence than ten or even five years ago. And that takes longer. As other posters have noted: it doesn't take as long anywhere else in Europe, it doesn't take as long to resolve a road incident and it never used to take as long to resolve railway accidents or suicides as it does now, suspicious or otherwise. And if there is a chance that it's not a railway accident, but a murder victim dumped on the line ... ? Ian |
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David Hansen wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 21:57:19 -0000 someone who may be "Richard" wrote this:- Only car-on-car. Remember train crashes often see the line closed for days. It now seems to be weeks. Care to give an example? And don't try Great Heck, because a friend of mine was duty Railtrack officer there, and I know what they were looking for, where they had to look, and what they found. It's not pretty. Bear in mind as well that roads are hard to damage and can quickly be patched up if they are damaged. Neither is true of railway lines, particularly where pointwork or overhead are concerened. Ian |
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Roland Perry wrote in message ...
That's an extreme example, but surely the long time it took to investigate this particular incident points to a lack of immediately available resources, rather than a lot of work being required. Or points to it happening at one o'clock in the morning in the middle of winter, and them needing a few hours of daylight to do a proper search of the area? Ian |
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In message , Ian
Johnston writes Or points to it happening at one o'clock in the morning in the middle of winter, and them needing a few hours of daylight to do a proper search of the area? Or that the "resource" they are missing is floodlighting? -- Roland Perry |
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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message ... "Fat Richard" wrote in message om... I have to say that I was amazed how the Sth central service was still doing at 13.00 when I went to work some 12 hours after the initial incident. Still as bad at 20:00, when I passed through the area. Numerous up trains running between 20 and 90 minutes late due to the knock-on effect of crew displacement earlier in the day, down trains equally as late if not later, where not cancelled. Victoria concourse awash with irate passengers. Is this any way to run a railway? Whether or not the incident could or should have been cleared more quickly, it does seem that SC and NR did not have an adequate contingency plan to cope with a line closure at Balham. In the Metro area, suspension of the whole of the Victoria service (apart from Victoria - London Bridge via Denmark Hill) would still have left most stations with a London Bridge service. For express services, the capacity of London Bridge to accept diversions should be known, and those that couldn't be fitted in there should have been cancelled or terminated further south - East Croydon, Gatwick, Three Bridges or Haywards Heath, for example. Was the Tulse Hill, Herne Hill route used for diversions to Victoria? - probably the best use of the limited capacity available this way would be for Gatwick Express (bearing in mind the effect on passengers of missed planes) - with SC passengers conveyed from Victoria on GatEx to Gatwick, or by LUL to London Bridge. Peter |
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