From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27606195

Passenger numbers on the Tube have reached a record high - with an average
of 3.5 million travellers a day in 2013/14, according to new figures.

London Underground (LU) said 1.265 billion passengers took Tube journeys in
2013/14 - a 3% rise on 2012/13.

Numbers have increased by 33% since 2004, with LU operating an extra
373,000 miles of services in 2013/14 and running more trains that ever.

A transport watchdog said overcrowding was a big concern for commuters.

London TravelWatch said the large rise was unsurprising and more needed to
be done to improve journeys.

Chief executive Janet Cooke said: "We know from our research that
overcrowding is the major cause of dissatisfaction amongst commuters who
use the Underground, so it is essential that Transport for London continue
to invest in increasing capacity so that passengers can travel in more
comfort."

Since 2004 delays to customers also dropped by 54%, LU said.

LU said asset failures, which include signal problems or track faults, fell
to their lowest level in 2013/14.

Mayor of London Boris Johnson said: "Thanks to vital investment and a
programme of modernisation we've seen delays cut and more frequent and
reliable trains that enable Londoners to get to where they want to go more
quickly."

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It's interesting that the numbers have already overtaken 2012, the Olympics
year. Roll on the extra trains on the Jubilee and Northern lines, and new
signalling to increase the frequency. It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

On 2014\05\29 08:40, Recliner wrote:

It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in someone's
armpit.

Basil Jet wrote:
On 2014\05\29 08:40, Recliner wrote:

It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in someone's armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least on
the western side.

In message

, at 09:22:12 on Thu, 29 May 2014, Recliner
remarked:
It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in someone's armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.

--
Roland Perry

It's quite certain that the Central Line on the eastern side will remain very
busy indeed, at least as far as Stratford.

If London's population continues to increase it will be essential to build
additional new tubes lines. The Hackney/Chelsea route in whatever guise it
ultimately takes is pretty much a foregone conclusion but if HS2 is built and
reaches expectations, London will need a new north/south route via Euston.
Such a route should connect with various strands of London Overground as
well as other tubes lines. My suggestion is Arnos Grove to Herne Hill.

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 09:22:12 on Thu, 29 May 2014, Recliner remarked:
It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in someone's armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.

But won't many cross the platform to change to Crossrail at Stratford,
assuming that a Crossrail station in Central London will be a suitable
destination? Of course, this will increase the Central Line loading east
of Stratford.

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 09:22:12 on Thu, 29 May 2014, Recliner
remarked:
It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people
who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in someone's
armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least
on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.

But won't many cross the platform to change to Crossrail at Stratford,

To save 3 or 4 minutes on a journey to Z1. I doubt it.

the number of people already on the Central at Stratford with a destination
beyond Padd will be insignificant.

tim



tim

In message

, at 10:53:28 on Thu, 29 May 2014, Recliner
remarked:
My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.

But won't many cross the platform to change to Crossrail at Stratford,
assuming that a Crossrail station in Central London will be a suitable
destination?

That depends how close their destination is to either a Crossrail
station, or a station they can easily change to from a Crossrail
station. There are likely a great number of journeys where sticking on
the Central, despite a longer time on the train, will give a shorter
journey time.
--
Roland Perry

On 29/05/2014 16:30, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in
someone's armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.


I think the busiest stretch of the whole Tube network is supposed to be
between Bethnal Green and Liverpool Street on the Central line.

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 May 2014 10:53:28 -0500, Recliner
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 09:22:12 on Thu, 29 May 2014, Recliner
remarked:
It does suggest that Crossrail will
indeed fill up soon after opening.

I don't think anyone doubts that... the question is, for how many
years
will the Central Line be a ghost town, until Crossrail becomes so
unbearably crowded that the Central Line starts being used by people
who
are in no hurry but just want to travel without their nose in
someone's armpit.

My guess is that the Central line will remain fairly crowded, at least
on
the western side.

Also on the east, from those many places where a Central Line station is
closer than a Crossrail one.

But won't many cross the platform to change to Crossrail at Stratford,
assuming that a Crossrail station in Central London will be a suitable
destination? Of course, this will increase the Central Line loading east
of Stratford.

I can't see people getting off Central Line trains to catch Crossrail
*unless* they want Abbey Wood, Farringdon, Paddington or points west
thereof. People local to Stratford will take the most convenient
service once within the station. Will people forsake a seat so they
can stand in crush conditions? Err not for a saving of a few minutes.

What I think may happen is that people who currently alight from
Greater Anglia locals will remain on the future Crossrail where a
Central London station is convenient for them. Thus the volumes
changing trains at Stratford will fall except for people who may tweak
their journeys to change via Stratford for Crossrail (say from stops
on the Jubilee Line, DLR and NLL) - e.g. Canning Town or West Ham to
Farringdon. Travel via Stratford will be very quick.

I don't imagine there will be much relief to the Central Line in the
medium to long term. There'll be a short term adjustment but
eventually everything will fill up and people may well be content to
stick with the much more frequent tube service than wait 5-10 minutes
for a Crossrail train. Off peak Crossrail will still be only every 10
minutes through Stratford and the headway through Canary Wharf will be
unbalanced and nowhere near as frequent as the Jubilee Line. People
expecting tube like frequencies on Crossrail are going to be
disappointed - especially heading West of Paddington where waits of
15-30 minutes will be not be unusual.

IME not that unusual on the Ealing Branch of the district in the evenings
either :-(

tim