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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at
07:52:57 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:

ITSO on c2c is available now , so the 2017 rollout must refer to either
payment at ticket offices, or a similar scheme to TfL.

Can you get a TfL Travelcard on C2C ITSO (or more to the point, will TfL
recognise it?)

Similarly, have C2C already implemented ITSO-purse purchasing of walk-up
tickets at machines?

current ITSO news as of June 16th:

"c2c's ITSO-compliant Smartcard can now be loaded with Anytime Weekday and
Off-Peak Returns, plus weekly, monthly and annual season tickets and used at
sfor (sic) stations between Shoeburyness/Southend and Tilbury Town/West
Horndon"

London travelcards are part of phase II from October

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

http://www.itso.org.uk/

It doesn't say how you actually pay for the tickets that you load onto the
card, so I guess that is by putting some form of payment into the ticket
machine at time of purchase. Nor does it say if the purchased tickets are a
store of open tickets or only for a designated date.

So the only "biggie" here is that you can buy (and presumably pay) online
and pick up your ticket at the gate (or not),

I think we're back to the discussion that we had before about this being
nothing more than an electronic "paper ticket" (with online purchase option)

tim

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In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:

In message ,
at 06:26:30 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
It looks like National Express Essex Thameside plan to roll out CPC
ticketing across their network

http://nationalexpressgroup.com/medi...?newsitem=1355

"Smart ticketing across the route from day one, with route-wide
contactless payment rolled out in 2017."

They are the DfT's chosen pilot for ITSO, so I expect the contactless
payment will be from your ITSO wallet, not your credit card.

ie CPC= Contactless Payment Card, not Contactless Credit Card

It barely qualifies for the term "network" though, having just one
point-to-point line with a loop via Greys. Which also explains why
they have good performance figures. No pesky late-running
cross-country trains from Bristol to Edinburgh competing for their
assets.

Or a loop via Grays even.

ps: "Passengers given a new right to be sold the cheapest ticket for
any
c2c journey and compensation if they are not."

Isn't this the case already?? Or is it in fact a right to be sold the
cheapest ticket, but no redress if you aren't.

How many possible cases are there of not being sold the cheapest ticket?

Not being given the "weekend" return price

ISTR someone complaining about the TMs at Cambridge(/Ely) not offering these

tim



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On Friday, 27 June 2014 16:22:16 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at

07:52:57 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Matthew Dickinson

remarked:



ITSO on c2c is available now , so the 2017 rollout must refer to either

payment at ticket offices, or a similar scheme to TfL.



Can you get a TfL Travelcard on C2C ITSO (or more to the point, will TfL

recognise it?)



Similarly, have C2C already implemented ITSO-purse purchasing of walk-up

tickets at machines?

--

Roland Perry

It was launched on the 16th June between West Horndon, Tilbury Town and Shoeburyness. Online and TVMs are both advertised as ways to load tickets.


13th October is the date for Travelcards to be available.

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

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In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message ,
at 06:26:30 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
It looks like National Express Essex Thameside plan to roll out CPC
ticketing across their network


http://nationalexpressgroup.com/medi...?newsitem=1355

"Smart ticketing across the route from day one, with route-wide
contactless payment rolled out in 2017."

They are the DfT's chosen pilot for ITSO, so I expect the contactless
payment will be from your ITSO wallet, not your credit card.

ie CPC= Contactless Payment Card, not Contactless Credit Card

It barely qualifies for the term "network" though, having just one
point-to-point line with a loop via Greys. Which also explains why
they have good performance figures. No pesky late-running
cross-country trains from Bristol to Edinburgh competing for their
assets.

Or a loop via Grays even.

ps: "Passengers given a new right to be sold the cheapest ticket for
any c2c journey and compensation if they are not."

Isn't this the case already?? Or is it in fact a right to be sold the
cheapest ticket, but no redress if you aren't.

How many possible cases are there of not being sold the cheapest
ticket?

Not being given the "weekend" return price

ISTR someone complaining about the TMs at Cambridge(/Ely) not
offering these

You and Roland are missing the point I was making which applied solely to
C2C.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
 

In message , at 17:52:06 on Fri, 27
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked:
ITSO on c2c is available now , so the 2017 rollout must refer to either
payment at ticket offices, or a similar scheme to TfL.

Can you get a TfL Travelcard on C2C ITSO (or more to the point, will
TfL recognise it?)

Similarly, have C2C already implemented ITSO-purse purchasing of
walk-up tickets at machines?

current ITSO news as of June 16th:

"c2c's ITSO-compliant Smartcard can now be loaded with Anytime Weekday
and Off-Peak Returns, plus weekly, monthly and annual season tickets
and used at sfor (sic) stations between Shoeburyness/Southend and
Tilbury Town/West Horndon"

Also for trips to London (not just between Southend and Tilbury?)

London travelcards are part of phase II from October

So still well into vapourware.

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

http://www.itso.org.uk/

It doesn't say how you actually pay for the tickets that you load onto
the card, so I guess that is by putting some form of payment into the
ticket machine at time of purchase. Nor does it say if the purchased
tickets are a store of open tickets or only for a designated date.

My only experience is now somewhat out of date (EMT's ITSO pilot). I
think they didn't activate the purse, and so payment was by traditional
means (including CCs at machine and online).

As purchases at machines are (in almost all cases) famously for "today
only", I haven't tried an online purchase of an ITSO day return for a
day in the future. Anyone compiling a chart of all of this should
certainly have that as one of the tickable possibilities.

So the only "biggie" here is that you can buy (and presumably pay)
online and pick up your ticket at the gate (or not),

That's the future for ITSO, but doesn't explain what happens if you have
multiple tickets awaiting collection. Reverting to a scheme where
tickets dated "today" are only valid "today" would help, but last time
they tried that for Anytime tickets they rapidly changed it back to
"today plus three days" for the outbound leg.

I think we're back to the discussion that we had before about this
being nothing more than an electronic "paper ticket" (with online
purchase option)

That's all it is. With the added problem that if you have several
un-used tickets in your pocket, which one will the barrier decide you
want to use?
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 17:53:30 on Fri, 27
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked:
How many possible cases are there of not being sold the cheapest ticket?

Not being given the "weekend" return price

ISTR someone complaining about the TMs at Cambridge(/Ely) not offering these

Which was, of course, myself.

[You have to chuckle a bit that the ticket in question is called Can't
be Arsed, or CBA].

Same place that people invented imaginary rules for off-peak weekday
tickets to London.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 12:17:47
on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked:
You and Roland are missing the point I was making which applied solely to
C2C.

I'm sure they also have peak/offpeak rules which staff can
misunderstand.

--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:17:47 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, remarked:
You and Roland are missing the point I was making which applied solely to
C2C.

I'm sure they also have peak/offpeak rules which staff can
misunderstand.

A lot simpler than those of GA & FCC, i bet.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:52:06 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, tim..... remarked:
ITSO on c2c is available now , so the 2017 rollout must refer to either
payment at ticket offices, or a similar scheme to TfL.

Can you get a TfL Travelcard on C2C ITSO (or more to the point, will TfL
recognise it?)

Similarly, have C2C already implemented ITSO-purse purchasing of walk-up
tickets at machines?

current ITSO news as of June 16th:

"c2c's ITSO-compliant Smartcard can now be loaded with Anytime Weekday and
Off-Peak Returns, plus weekly, monthly and annual season tickets and used
at sfor (sic) stations between Shoeburyness/Southend and Tilbury Town/West
Horndon"

Also for trips to London (not just between Southend and Tilbury?)

Is that a question or a statement?

(I think the answer is No)

London travelcards are part of phase II from October

So still well into vapourware.

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

http://www.itso.org.uk/

It doesn't say how you actually pay for the tickets that you load onto the
card, so I guess that is by putting some form of payment into the ticket
machine at time of purchase. Nor does it say if the purchased tickets are
a store of open tickets or only for a designated date.

My only experience is now somewhat out of date (EMT's ITSO pilot). I think
they didn't activate the purse, and so payment was by traditional means
(including CCs at machine and online).

As purchases at machines are (in almost all cases) famously for "today
only", I haven't tried an online purchase of an ITSO day return for a day
in the future. Anyone compiling a chart of all of this should certainly
have that as one of the tickable possibilities.

You can definitely buy tickets "online" for "tomorrow". the engine seemed
exactly the same as the SET one and that sells tickets into the future.

But my query was "can I buy a ticket that I would like to use for one day
next week but I'm not sure which day?" - to be dated the day that I pick it
up (if that is a necessary simplicity).

So the only "biggie" here is that you can buy (and presumably pay) online
and pick up your ticket at the gate (or not),

That's the future for ITSO, but doesn't explain what happens if you have
multiple tickets awaiting collection. Reverting to a scheme where tickets
dated "today" are only valid "today" would help, but last time they tried
that for Anytime tickets they rapidly changed it back to "today plus three
days" for the outbound leg.

I think we're back to the discussion that we had before about this being
nothing more than an electronic "paper ticket" (with online purchase
option)

That's all it is. With the added problem that if you have several un-used
tickets in your pocket, which one will the barrier decide you want to use?

all c2c tickets seem to be "day" validity only, so that problem doesn't
apply here

tim

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wrote in message
...
In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message ,
at 06:26:30 on Fri, 27 Jun 2014, Matthew Dickinson
remarked:
It looks like National Express Essex Thameside plan to roll out CPC
ticketing across their network


http://nationalexpressgroup.com/medi...?newsitem=1355

"Smart ticketing across the route from day one, with route-wide
contactless payment rolled out in 2017."

They are the DfT's chosen pilot for ITSO, so I expect the contactless
payment will be from your ITSO wallet, not your credit card.

ie CPC= Contactless Payment Card, not Contactless Credit Card

It barely qualifies for the term "network" though, having just one
point-to-point line with a loop via Greys. Which also explains why
they have good performance figures. No pesky late-running
cross-country trains from Bristol to Edinburgh competing for their
assets.

Or a loop via Grays even.

ps: "Passengers given a new right to be sold the cheapest ticket for
any c2c journey and compensation if they are not."

Isn't this the case already?? Or is it in fact a right to be sold the
cheapest ticket, but no redress if you aren't.

How many possible cases are there of not being sold the cheapest
ticket?

Not being given the "weekend" return price

ISTR someone complaining about the TMs at Cambridge(/Ely) not
offering these

You and Roland are missing the point I was making which applied solely to
C2C.

perhaps, but I did chose that example because it is an available ticket type
on C2C

tim