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TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:31:06 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: I understand your "weariness" about ITSO but I do get a sense we are on the final run in to some people being able to use ITSO spec cards on the TfL estate. Just in time for me to abandon my Oyster in favour of my credit card. I still think NR would have been better spending the money on barcode readers. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I don't know if they even have a trial area operating. What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base. But the savings are not there for a rural bus service. Unless you have flat fares, you either have to have a card on/card off system (which I suspect will drive punters away from using it) or you still have the "negotiate the correct fare with the driver" part of the transaction. If you still have that wasted 45 seconds in the transaction the 2 second saving made from paying by contactless card is not worth having tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Scott" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:48:45 +0100, (Mark Bestley) wrote: Scott wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT), CJB wrote: From RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Tuesday 24 June 2014 Volume 28 : Issue 04 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:41:13 +0100 From: Wm redacted Subject: London transport authority acknowledges contactless technology risk How many organisations have warned users of their cards about the risks vs how many have been discovered and reported ? I was checking the balance on my Oyster card [1] on-line and noticed this: http://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...ter/card-clash = = = = Card clash Keeping your Oyster card in your wallet or purse with other cards could cause card clash. This all looks like commonsense to me - and I only visit the capital occasionally. Yes but I currently have one holder for all cards - who will pay for the extra holders I need now? I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge. you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message ... On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote: In message , Tony Dragon writes The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader) That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique. A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards or a read error. Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain text' translation of the error code on the second text line. Lets see, Freedom Pass in wallet, Debit Card in wallet, gates don't open. Remove either, gates open. That is, of course, the solution that the punter wants It isn't the solution that the operator wants :-( tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On Thursday, 26 June 2014 00:55:51 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. GMPTE is the only other area that I know of that is planning to introduce CPC. http://www.getmethere.com/about-getm...p#a-card-types |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014 23:03:14 UTC+1, wrote:
On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote: In message , Tony Dragon writes The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader) That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique. A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards or a read error. Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain text' translation of the error code on the second text line. What does Error 80 mean, BTW? That is the code that I have experienced once or twice on the Contactless pilot programme. Code 80 is "Card not approved by issuer" https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...%20request.pdf TfL say "Advise the customer to sign in to their online account to resolve the issue. They may also need to contact their card issuer Note: When an issue is resolved and the card is re-approved for travel, it can take up to 30 minutes for all readers across the network to be updated. Until then, the card could be rejected by the readers. Customers should be advised to use a different payment method (such as an Oyster card, pay cash fare or another contactless payment card) if they want to travel immediately" https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ing%20No.2.pdf |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
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TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
In message , at 11:17:55 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge. you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 05:54:10
on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: Stagecoach have implemented limited smartcard facilities and handle bus passes automatically, That's the Stagecoach whose ITSO cards for SWT, EMT and Cambridgeshire buses are in no way interoperable? as do Whippet round here. Whippet *and* Whippet, surely. -- Roland Perry |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never
know which was which Never heard of marker pens? I have two Oyster wallets with different designs. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to "know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment)
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TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:16:23 +0200, "tim....."
wrote: Unless you have flat fares, you either have to have a card on/card off system (which I suspect will drive punters away from using it) or you still have the "negotiate the correct fare with the driver" part of the transaction. If you still have that wasted 45 seconds in the transaction the 2 second saving made from paying by contactless card is not worth having It is, because the thing that takes lots of time is giving change. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 11:17:55 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge. you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? rubs off tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Piatkow" wrote in message ... I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to "know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment) It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and look for: Freedom pass Oyster with relevant season Oyster with PAYG balance before randomly selecting debiting your CC Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found. tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Neil Williams" wrote in message .net... On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:16:23 +0200, "tim....." wrote: Unless you have flat fares, you either have to have a card on/card off system (which I suspect will drive punters away from using it) or you still have the "negotiate the correct fare with the driver" part of the transaction. If you still have that wasted 45 seconds in the transaction the 2 second saving made from paying by contactless card is not worth having It is, because the thing that takes lots of time is giving change. what with one of those "press the lever n time to release the correct number of coins", coin holders? Don't believe you tim |
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In message , at 14:50:20 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? rubs off Use an indelible one. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 14:54:26 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to "know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment) It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and look for: Freedom pass Oyster with relevant season Oyster with PAYG balance before randomly selecting debiting your CC Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found. It can't, and doesn't, do all that in the short interval it has available. Even if the RFID interference between the different cards means you could even read them individually. -- Roland Perry |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:50:20 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? rubs off Use an indelible one. still comes off (eventually) tim |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 14:54:26 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: I am not sure what people expect but how is a card reader expected to "know" which card to debit if you have a couple of contactless payment cards in your wallet? (More of an issue on buses at the moment) It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and look for: Freedom pass Oyster with relevant season Oyster with PAYG balance before randomly selecting debiting your CC Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found. It can't, and doesn't, I know that it doesn't (that's almost a given) but I don't see that it can't. do all that in the short interval it has available. So extending that window is a worse use of time that having pax stand at the barrier for 30 seconds whilst he fusses about which card to use? (OK I know, having stood behind that person [1], it only seems like 30 seconds but is probably nearer 10) Even if the RFID interference between the different cards means you could even read them individually. there must be a possible process of conversing with only one card as otherwise we would never get the scenario of writing to the wrong card. I can't believe this always happens because only one card "wakes up" tim [1] he was trying to make his "paper" ticket work the contactless pad, after 3 tries I stepped in and told him he had to put that type of ticket in the slot, at which point he announced that he actually though he was using his freedom pass. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On 26/06/2014 14:13, tim..... wrote: [...] you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? rubs off Use an indelible one. still comes off (eventually) If this is genuinely your complaint then may I suggest you don't use public transport at all, because it'll confuse you too much. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
On 26/06/2014 00:55, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. FWIW, Merseyrail now accepts payments for paper tickets by contactless card: http://www.merseyrail.org/tickets-pa...ntactless-paym ent.aspx http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24794486 http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/...rail-completes -deployment-of-contactless-ticket-payment-systems/ http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...roduces-contac tless-payment The latter two articles make it clear that this is contactless payment being added as an option to ticket offices and to TVMs (initially at the former, with the latter following later) - so a much more conventional deployment of the technology compared to London. (I can see a quite delightful scope for confusion should TVMs and ticket offices in London start accepting contactless cards as a means of paying for conventional paper tickets!) The big gain is not having to visit a ticket office or ticket machine. e-Tickets and Print-at-Home do that too. If you've seen the ticket office/machine queues at Cambridge at times (Saturday morning is often worst) you'd see why such options are needed. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In message , at 15:20:47 on Thu, 26
Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and look for: Freedom pass Oyster with relevant season Oyster with PAYG balance before randomly selecting debiting your CC Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found. It can't, and doesn't, I know that it doesn't (that's almost a given) but I don't see that it can't. do all that in the short interval it has available. So extending that window is a worse use of time that having pax stand at the barrier for 30 seconds whilst he fusses about which card to use? The speed of operating gates has always been fundamental for TfL, even though I believe they've had to sacrifice a little to accommodate contactless CCs at all. -- Roland Perry |
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On 26/06/2014 16:31, Roland Perry wrote: [...] The speed of operating gates has always been fundamental for TfL, even though I believe they've had to sacrifice a little to accommodate contactless CCs at all. My subjective take on using CPCs on London buses is that it does takes that smidgeon longer for it to validate. |
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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote: In message , at 05:54:10 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked: Stagecoach have implemented limited smartcard facilities and handle bus passes automatically, That's the Stagecoach whose ITSO cards for SWT, EMT and Cambridgeshire buses are in no way interoperable? as do Whippet round here. Whippet *and* Whippet, surely. and Go Whippet even. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:
On 26/06/2014 15:52, wrote: [...] The big gain is not having to visit a ticket office or ticket machine. e-Tickets and Print-at-Home do that too. If you've seen the ticket office/machine queues at Cambridge at times (Saturday morning is often worst) you'd see why such options are needed. For the avoidance of talking at cross purposes, you're referring to being able to use a CPC to directly pay for your journey (i.e. using it to touch-in at the start, and touch-out at the end) - the Merseyrail scheme is just about using contactless for the retail transaction of buying a conventional paper ticket. And yes, I'm very well aware of that big gain - Oyster offers it, to a significant extent. You need to have credit on your Oyster card (which can be guaranteed if one opts-in to auto-topup), but being able to arrive at the station a minute or so before a train and just being able to touch-in without faffing around buying a ticket has been nigh-on revolutionary for many travellers in London. (For the Cambridge example and similar, this is where being able to buy a ticket for loading onto an ITSO smartcard online - via a smartphone whilst on the go, for example - and so being able to sidestep the queues and just swipe-in at the station should prove very useful.) You've more or less got it. Cambridge has high internet ticket sales but they all have to be collected from the same TVMs as have large queues of people buying tickets at present. Even though some TOC, e.g. Cross Country do Print-at-Home it doesn't seem to be possible for journeys from Cambridge. Things should be better after a major ticket office expansion later this year but if they could divert more ticketing transactions from the station it would be better still. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 26/06/2014 14:13, tim..... wrote: [...] you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which Never heard of marker pens? rubs off Use an indelible one. still comes off (eventually) If this is genuinely your complaint then may I suggest you don't use public transport at all, because it'll confuse you too much. I'm perfectly capable of separating my cards at my own expense. It's the person who thinks that TfL should buy him a new wallet who has the problem tim |
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"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 26/06/2014 15:52, wrote: [...] The big gain is not having to visit a ticket office or ticket machine. e-Tickets and Print-at-Home do that too. If you've seen the ticket office/machine queues at Cambridge at times (Saturday morning is often worst) you'd see why such options are needed. For the avoidance of talking at cross purposes, you're referring to being able to use a CPC to directly pay for your journey (i.e. using it to touch-in at the start, and touch-out at the end) That is what most people here mean when they ask "are other transport operators looking to use contactless cards". They aren't the slightest bit interested in its use at the TO to pay for a paper ticket, anymore than at the cafe to pay for a coffee or the book stall to pay for a newspaper. These things are routine now. Of course, there is the half solution of using contactless to pay for ticketed bus travel that may be of interest, but the reason for that is because it isn't usual for pax to be able to pay for bus travel with a credit/debit card at all at the moment(though I did once buy a 7 day ticket with a cheque!) tim |
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On 26/06/2014 00:51, Mizter T wrote:
On 25/06/2014 23:00, wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? What plans? (That's the answer, BTW.) Figured. Anybody else in Europe working on this? I know that one town in Norway is working on this, BTW. |
TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
On 26/06/2014 00:55, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I don't know if they even have a trial area operating. What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base. There must be horrendous issues with company processes, security and deployment issues given how incredibly slow the progress is with so many schemes - even when only in one company. Multi operator schemes in deregulated areas will always be hard as no one can force the bus companies to take part and there's always the issue of "who pays?". Isn't that a bit of a waste of time and resources to work on introducing ITSO, when eventually everybody will go over to contactless? |
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On 26/06/2014 08:12, Mizter T wrote:
On 26/06/2014 00:55, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. FWIW, Merseyrail now accepts payments for paper tickets by contactless card: http://www.merseyrail.org/tickets-passes/ticket-information/contactless-payment.aspx http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-24794486 http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business/3512283/merseyrail-completes-deployment-of-contactless-ticket-payment-systems/ http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/merseyrail-introduces-contactless-payment The latter two articles make it clear that this is contactless payment being added as an option to ticket offices and to TVMs (initially at the former, with the latter following later) - so a much more conventional deployment of the technology compared to London. (I can see a quite delightful scope for confusion should TVMs and ticket offices in London start accepting contactless cards as a means of paying for conventional paper tickets!) Not the same as simply using it to enter and exit the system. I can pay for my lunch with contactless. |
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On 26/06/2014 16:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:20:47 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, tim..... remarked: It certainly seems reasonable that the reader should be "intelligent" and look for: Freedom pass Oyster with relevant season Oyster with PAYG balance before randomly selecting debiting your CC Even if it can't (for whatever technical reason TfL can think of) actually intelligently charge the correct card from the above list , it should certainly decide not to charge the CC if one of the others is found. It can't, and doesn't, I know that it doesn't (that's almost a given) but I don't see that it can't. do all that in the short interval it has available. So extending that window is a worse use of time that having pax stand at the barrier for 30 seconds whilst he fusses about which card to use? The speed of operating gates has always been fundamental for TfL, even though I believe they've had to sacrifice a little to accommodate contactless CCs at all. I myself have noticed that there is a slight delay at the gates when using contactless -- just a little less than a second. Free-standing readers definitely take more time, however -- something along the lines of: "Erm, okay." The same applies with route validators, such as at Stratford. Perhaps that will change over time? |
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On 26/06/2014 10:17, tim..... wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:48:45 +0100, (Mark Bestley) wrote: Scott wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT), CJB wrote: From RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Tuesday 24 June 2014 Volume 28 : Issue 04 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:41:13 +0100 From: Wm redacted Subject: London transport authority acknowledges contactless technology risk How many organisations have warned users of their cards about the risks vs how many have been discovered and reported ? I was checking the balance on my Oyster card [1] on-line and noticed this: http://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...ter/card-clash = = = = Card clash Keeping your Oyster card in your wallet or purse with other cards could cause card clash. This all looks like commonsense to me - and I only visit the capital occasionally. Yes but I currently have one holder for all cards - who will pay for the extra holders I need now? I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge. you can't put you non-Oyster card in an Oyster wallet. You'd never know which was which tim I do. |
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wrote in message ... On 26/06/2014 00:51, Mizter T wrote: On 25/06/2014 23:00, wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? What plans? (That's the answer, BTW.) Figured. Anybody else in Europe working on this? I know that one town in Norway is working on this, BTW. Here in Germany, I don't even know of a tarifverbund working on implementing transit only stored value cards They all seem to see SMS tickets and print at home as the future Though the loss in the courts when Hannover tried to implement a system of "card purchases only" at tram stops may have something to do with that. tim |
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wrote in message ... On 26/06/2014 00:55, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I don't know if they even have a trial area operating. What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base. There must be horrendous issues with company processes, security and deployment issues given how incredibly slow the progress is with so many schemes - even when only in one company. Multi operator schemes in deregulated areas will always be hard as no one can force the bus companies to take part and there's always the issue of "who pays?". Isn't that a bit of a waste of time and resources to work on introducing ITSO, when eventually everybody will go over to contactless? the comment from others suggest that that wont be happening, any time soon tim |
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"tim....." wrote
Except for ITSO concession cards. Stagecoach have implemented limited smartcard facilities and handle bus passes automatically, as do Whippet round here. I though all local buses were supposed to handle oldies bus passes electronically - it's TfL who are behind the curve on this one. Certainly all in Kent and Hants do "all" ? No requirement for electronic acceptance at all. I note that North Surrey have 10 operators(most very small) + TFL. The only one that accepts National bus pass touches is Arriva -- Mike D |
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On 26/06/2014 22:47, tim..... wrote:
wrote in message ... On 26/06/2014 00:55, Paul Corfield wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:00:36 +0100, " wrote: What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or further afield on NR? I think the Rail Delivery Group are considering the technology but beyond that I don't know. I am not aware that any of the city regions are considering contactless bank cards - they're all struggling to get ITSO based schemes into service. The only other scheme was First Group's move into smartcards for its buses - that scheme was based on bank card acceptance first plus ITSO for concessionary tickets. However progress has been very slow and I don't know if they even have a trial area operating. What is odd is that the technology should be very straightforward given there are known standards and a competitive supplier base. There must be horrendous issues with company processes, security and deployment issues given how incredibly slow the progress is with so many schemes - even when only in one company. Multi operator schemes in deregulated areas will always be hard as no one can force the bus companies to take part and there's always the issue of "who pays?". Isn't that a bit of a waste of time and resources to work on introducing ITSO, when eventually everybody will go over to contactless? the comment from others suggest that that wont be happening, any time soon tim It will eventually, however. |
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