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On Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:47:02 UTC+1, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 23:35:38 +0100, Tony Dragon

wrote:



The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)



As it is an Oyster card, but just formatted differently, then that's

not a surprise. In due course I would expect other smartcards in ITSO

format will also clash - that depends on the ITSO functionality being

switched on on the TfL network of card reading devices. The TfL card

readers will in due course read Oyster, contactless bank cards and

ITSO spec cards.



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Paul C

I think 13th October is when ITSO cards should be usable on any Oyster reader.

http://www.c2c-online.co.uk/tickets-...art-card/index

The fares are already loaded on the database

e.g. http://www.brfares.com/#expert?orig=SRY&dest=ZMP

For anyone keeping track, the c2c Smart OID is 0247

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In article
,
(Recliner) wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Bestley) wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

Keeping your Oyster card in your wallet or purse with other cards
could cause card clash.

This all looks like commonsense to me - and I only visit the capital
occasionally.

Yes but I currently have one holder for all cards - who will pay for
the extra holders I need now?

TfL used to give out wallets for Oyster cards. I have several.
Don't they do so any more?

Can Tfl assure me that I get a red light and not credit the wrong card.

That's why they are warning you!

The current system works. How can I keep it?

The world moves on. You can always pay cash, the premium rate.

But not on buses for much longer.

Good point. Back to free Oyster wallets then.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:48:23 -0500, wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 23:35:38 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)

As it is an Oyster card, but just formatted differently, then that's
not a surprise. In due course I would expect other smartcards in ITSO
format will also clash - that depends on the ITSO functionality being
switched on on the TfL network of card reading devices. The TfL card
readers will in due course read Oyster, contactless bank cards and
ITSO spec cards.

Don't they already on buses? Or do national bus concession cards still
have to be handled manually?

I may not be up to date. There was certainly a limited trial of
accepting ITSO spec cards on some bus routes. I have yet to see
anything that confirms that fleet wide reading of ITSO spec
Concessionary Passes from outside London has started. TfL reports
haven't confirmed it nor has the Freedom Pass website - checking the
latter says that non London ENCTS passes must be shown to drivers in
London.

State of the ark again!

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:26:18 +0200, tim..... wrote:


"David Walters" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 22:48:42 +0100,
wrote:
Speaking of contactless technology, is anybody else here on the pilot
programme?

Yes.

If so, then what has your experience been of dealing with TfL staff?
Mine has been that they don't have a clue about the pilot programme.

I've only been inspected once which was on the DLR. The member of staff
didn't appear to know what to do but moved on to the next passenger
after seeing my pilot membership card.

Great isn't it.

I would have thought that having the trial was as much about making sure
that the correct process are in place for inspecting pax who claim to have
paid, as making sure that the back office adds up the fares correctly.

It feels like everything is ready apart from revenue protection so the
pilot gives all the fare calculation and billing bits a proper soak test
while they issue new card readers and train staff with the membership
card in the interim.

I assume it isn't going to go live until ticket inspectors are ready
with a new gadget.

TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
 

In message , at 16:39:51 on
Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:

I wonder if we will see Southern also extending the Key at the same
time?

They keep saying they will, but without having followed it chapter and
verse, I'm pretty sure it's "delayed".

eg: "To complement the ITSO deployment, Cubic has also implemented new
gate lines at Gatwick Airport and Brighton, the biggest stations served
by Southern outside of London. The next stage of the project will see
Cubic deploy the technology to provide ITSO capability on the remaining
Oyster overground gate estate, with the final stage enabling London
Underground and buses to accept ITSO cards in early 2014."

Is it still "early 2014" ??

People have been anticipating "ITSO on Prestige" since at least 2009.
Including a GoVia press release:

"Introduction of an ITSO-certified Smartcard ticketing system across the
network by January 2012"
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Roland Perry

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:48:45 +0100, (Mark Bestley)
wrote:

Scott wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT), CJB
wrote:

From RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Tuesday 24 June 2014 Volume 28 :
Issue 04

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:41:13 +0100 From: Wm redacted

Subject: London transport authority acknowledges contactless technology
risk

How many organisations have warned users of their cards about the risks
vs how many have been discovered and reported ?

I was checking the balance on my Oyster card [1] on-line and noticed
this:

http://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...ter/card-clash

= = = =

Card clash

Keeping your Oyster card in your wallet or purse with other cards could
cause card clash.


This all looks like commonsense to me - and I only visit the capital
occasionally.

Yes but I currently have one holder for all cards - who will pay for the
extra holders I need now?

I thought Oyster card holders were issued free of charge.

Can Tfl assure me that I get a red light and not credit the wrong card.

If you keep the other card out of the way, I assume this will be the
situation. If you pay using the wrong card, is it the end of the
world?

The current system works. How can I keep it?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&k...l_64zigqui40_b

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On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , Tony Dragon
writes

The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)

That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their
card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass
users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique.

A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards
or a read error.

Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates
have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain
text' translation of the error code on the second text line.

Lets see, Freedom Pass in wallet, Debit Card in wallet, gates don't open.
Remove either, gates open.
So a card clash.

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On 25/06/2014 11:00, David Walters wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 22:48:42 +0100, wrote:
Speaking of contactless technology, is anybody else here on the pilot
programme?

Yes.

If so, then what has your experience been of dealing with TfL staff?
Mine has been that they don't have a clue about the pilot programme.

I've only been inspected once which was on the DLR. The member of staff
didn't appear to know what to do but moved on to the next passenger
after seeing my pilot membership card.


I had a problem with use of it once, and I went to the wick to ask the
staff about it. The person there simply told me that payment with
contactless cards wasn't yet possible. When I told them that it was and
showed them my pilot card, that individual simply had no idea what this was.

Same thing happened when I tried to exit at another station; When I told
the gate attendant that it wasn't working, that individual told me that
such a system wasn't yet in place.

I also used it at London Bridge station for NR, and one of the
attendants who saw it told me that it wasn't possible yet to use
contactless. I just told that individual that it was possible and
continued to walk on.

TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
 

On 25/06/2014 11:11, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:48:23 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 23:35:38 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)

As it is an Oyster card, but just formatted differently, then that's
not a surprise. In due course I would expect other smartcards in ITSO
format will also clash - that depends on the ITSO functionality being
switched on on the TfL network of card reading devices. The TfL card
readers will in due course read Oyster, contactless bank cards and
ITSO spec cards.

Don't they already on buses? Or do national bus concession cards still have
to be handled manually?

I may not be up to date. There was certainly a limited trial of
accepting ITSO spec cards on some bus routes. I have yet to see
anything that confirms that fleet wide reading of ITSO spec
Concessionary Passes from outside London has started. TfL reports
haven't confirmed it nor has the Freedom Pass website - checking the
latter says that non London ENCTS passes must be shown to drivers in
London.

What are the plans for expanding contactless into other cities or
further afield on NR?

TfL acknowledges contactless technology risk
 

On 25/06/2014 15:30, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , Tony Dragon
writes

The Freedom Pass also can clash (error 94 on the reader)

That's (very) rarely a clash but a mis-read when someone waves their
card about and expected the reader to magically read it. Freedom pass
users are one of the worst offenders at this but not unique.

A proper CPC clash is 70 or 71 which is reporting it's detected 2 cards
or a read error.

Those more observant of you may have noticed that recently the UTS gates
have had a software upgrade and many of these codes now report a 'plain
text' translation of the error code on the second text line.

What does Error 80 mean, BTW? That is the code that I have experienced
once or twice on the Contactless pilot programme.